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Meeting of the Parliament 08 February 2023

08 Feb 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Health Service Dentistry

Wow. I think that I have turned up to the wrong debate. [Interruption.] Nevertheless, I invite the cabinet secretary to explain that to senior dentists, who have told us that his Government has its head in the sand.

Obviously, Brexit has played its part. My party opposed Brexit and it is still opposed to it. Nevertheless, the cabinet secretary cannot once again shirk any responsibility by either blaming the pandemic or Brexit for his Government’s inadequacies and his own ministerial disinterest.

I wish it were just hyperbole, but when healthcare in this country is in such dire straits that people are literally being forced to pull out their own teeth, the use of the word “crisis” in the motion feels far too modest, and I cannot believe that the Government sought in its amendment to remove that word.

It should go without saying that tooth care, like any other form of healthcare, should be universally accessible and free at the point of delivery. Scottish Liberal Democrats were instrumental in introducing free dental checks in Scotland when the party was in coalition with Labour and in pressing for a new dental school to address shortages in the dentistry workforce. However, over the past 15 years, Scottish dentistry has been left to rot in the incapable hands of the Scottish National Party.

We find ourselves in this situation because our national health service has been starved of funding. The money that dentists are being given every time they carry out an NHS procedure is not going far enough to make the work sustainable, with some even running at a loss. Unsurprisingly, more and more dentists are becoming fully private, with only 18 per cent of practices taking on new NHS patients.

The Liberal Democrats have solutions. We want the Government to reform the existing funding structures for dentistry, so that dentists are incentivised to take on NHS patients. We want the Government to rewrite the NHS recovery plan so that it includes dentists in more comprehensive ways and properly recognises the importance of dentists in the course of that recovery. People are suffering. It is time that the Government woke up to that.

I move,

That the Parliament believes that there is a crisis in NHS dentistry; notes that the number of NHS dental check-ups and treatments being conducted are dramatically below pre-COVID-19 pandemic levels; further notes with concern that the number of dentists who are carrying out NHS work has fallen in 11 NHS boards, with the chair of the British Dental Association’s Scottish Dental Practice Committee warning of a “wholescale exodus” from the sector; understands that most dentists are not accepting new NHS patients and that polling has shown that many of those registered have been unable to get appointments; believes that the lack of government action to resolve this is leaving people in pain and will cause wider mouth health issues to be missed, and calls on the Scottish Government to rewrite the NHS Recovery Plan so that it includes dentistry fully and properly recognises the importance of dentists in the course of the recovery, and to urgently reform the funding structures so that dentists can return to taking on NHS activity and enable more patients to be seen.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-07812, in the name of Alex Cole-Hamilton, on addressing the crisis in NHS dentistry. 15:25
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am very pleased to rise for my party to speak in this debate. There is a dentistry crisis in Scotland. It can be felt everywhere—it is visited in each of o...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Does Alex Cole-Hamilton agree that, since the Scottish Conservatives previously brought a debate on dentistry to the chamber, things have got worse?
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Dr Gulhane is absolutely right: things are getting worse. I am sad to say that I sometimes fear that we are becoming inured to the level of crisis in our de...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me. Could we not have sedentary chitchat, please? Thank you.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
If the cabinet secretary wants to come in, I would be quite happy to take an intervention.
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
Does Alex Cole-Hamilton recognise that Brexit, along with the pandemic, has had an impact on the dental workforce? If so, does he therefore disagree with his...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Wow. I think that I have turned up to the wrong debate. Interruption. Nevertheless, I invite the cabinet secretary to explain that to senior dentists, who ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Maree Todd to speak to and move amendment S5M-07812.3. You have up to six minutes, please, minister. 15:32
The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to debate the important matter of access to NHS dental care, given the unprecedented impact of the pandemic and the uncerta...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Will the minister give way?
Maree Todd SNP
Certainly—if the member is brief.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
The minister talks about the uplift in dental work compared with 2021-22. I remind her that non-aerosol generating procedures were not allowed in 2021-22, so...
Humza Yousaf SNP
It is progress!
Maree Todd SNP
There you go. It is undeniable that we are making progress—really good progress—towards pre-pandemic levels. We are still in the midst of a global pandemic.
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
Maree Todd SNP
Give me one moment to make some progress. There is now a clear necessity to provide continued support to the sector as we move to the payment system reform....
Jackie Baillie Lab
I welcome the minister’s contribution, which is outlining reform, but can she please give us a timetable?
Maree Todd SNP
The timetable is clearly seen in the commitment to maintaining the bridging payments to the end of October this year; we expect the new system of reform paym...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
The minister has mentioned improvements. Could she point to the improvements in Dumfries and Galloway? Dentists are not leaving the region but leaving the NH...
Maree Todd SNP
The member is well aware of the particular conditions in Dumfries and Galloway, which have contributed to the situation in which we are now. That area is par...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Briefly, Mr Carson, because the minister should now be bringing her remarks to a close.
Finlay Carson Con
I appreciate the minister taking the intervention. The Brexit remark was going to come; we were just waiting for it—it is like bingo. Dentists are not leavi...
Maree Todd SNP
I know that the member does not like us to talk about Brexit. However, more than 60 per cent of the dental workforce is European, so it is undeniable that Br...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You are over your time; you need to conclude, minister.
Maree Todd SNP
More than 95 per cent of the Scottish population continues to be registered with an NHS dentist—a situation that we are determined to progress and improve. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, minister. I call Sandesh Gulhane to speak to and move amendment S6M-07812.2. 15:39
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
NHS dentistry is in crisis. That is happening on the SNP’s watch, yet when we listen to the minister, the message seems to be, “Aren’t we doing well?” That d...
Maree Todd SNP
I am very clear in acknowledging the challenges that the sector faces at the moment. Would Sandesh Gulhane join me in recognising the very welcome statistic ...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
The minister will hear in the rest of my speech how badly the Government has been doing when it comes to NHS dentistry, so I ask her to listen. Interruption.