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Meeting of the Parliament 31 January 2023 [Draft]

31 Jan 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Youth Vaping

I thank Siobhian Brown for an excellent speech. It is the speech that I wanted to hear, because I did not disagree with a single word of it or any of the excellent speeches thereafter.

Concern for children is my concern too. Like Brian Whittle, I have been worried about the risk of vaping among children and young teenagers for some time, not because I know a great deal about it but because anecdotal evidence has suggested to me that it is much wider spread than we thought, and I have lodged a few questions to demonstrate my interest. I am therefore delighted to be joining the debate this evening.

It has taken decades of public health campaigns, which I know that Kenneth Gibson has had a key part in over the years, to reduce the number of young people in Scotland smoking. Just as improved behaviours were becoming established, vapes have come along and seem to be capturing a new generation of users. The World Health Organization suggests that children and adolescents who start vaping are three times more likely to take up smoking. There is limited data. I think that Siobhian Brown has already mentioned ASH Scotland’s research showing that 17 per cent of 13-years-olds and 35 per cent of 15-year-olds have used a vape at some point, but I agree with Paul Sweeney, Brian Whittle and others that it is much wider than that.

Current evidence suggests that vaping is less harmful to a person’s health than smoking, but recent studies indicate these are still health-harming products that damage the heart and lungs as well as causing gum disease, tooth decay and headaches.

Stephanie Callaghan makes the point very well—and it is my point too—that vaping is an important route to stop smoking, but the focus of this debate is first of all the safety of children. Increasing the likelihood of users going on to become smokers is why we are all very concerned. As we have heard, some of these products contain nicotine, which is addictive. Research has shown that nicotine can have a detrimental impact on brain development and increase a young person’s risk of future substance abuse.

A survey of 1,000 adults that was commissioned by Asthma + Lung UK Scotland and conducted by Opinion Matters revealed that more than three quarters of people in Scotland are concerned about the use of vapes in schools, so it is a real issue. Earlier this month, the Daily Record launched a new campaign to ban disposable devices amid fears that they have turned our streets into a plastic dumping ground, which was also mentioned by other members. There seems to be a consensus here that we need to look at banning them for environmental reasons too.

I was involved in the ban on smoking in public places during the early sessions of Parliament, and we have seen the impact that that has had. What was the point of that world-leading legislation if coming behind it is a product that is aimed at young people with one thing in mind, which is to create a market of people who will then go on to smoke after they have given up vapes? I am surmising that, but I think that we all think that it is the case. That is why we must do all that we can, notwithstanding the point that Paul Sweeney also makes well, which is that we must think about what approach we take with young people. I guess that the minister will address this. If we say that it is banned, young people might want to rebel against that, so we need to think carefully how we do this. We need to explain to young people, “I know that all your friends are doing it and it seems to be a thing to do at school, but really it is in your long-term health interests not to do so.”

18:19  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-07290, in the name of Siobhian Brown, on concern regarding youth vaping. The debate wi...
Siobhian Brown (Ayr) (SNP) SNP
I thank everybody who has supported the motion and those who are taking part in the debate. I am really looking forward to all contributions. I lodged the m...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in this very important debate. I thank my friend and colleague Siobhian Brown for bringing it to the chamber and for her very informati...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to be able to contribute, and I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing this important debate to the chamber. As Asthma + Lung UK Scotland’s parliamen...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The member mentioned flavours that are approved for food but, just because something is approved for food does not mean that it is okay to go into people’s l...
Alexander Stewart Con
I completely concur with that. As I said, they are not there for that specific use or to be ingested in that way; they are there for the food impact. I ment...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for securing the debate, which is on an issue of increasing urgency. According to the BBC Radio 4 programme “All Consuming”, the globa...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate the member for Ayr on securing this members’ business debate, which ensures that this topic is given the prominence that it deserves in this c...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate my colleague Siobhian Brown on securing debating time on this important matter. With sweet flavours, colourful packaging and low prices...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I congratulate Siobhian Brown on securing time for this really important debate, and I thank all those who have been campaigning on the issue, particularly L...
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing the debate to the chamber and for all the work that she has been doing on the issue for quite some time. There have been...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before I call the next speaker, I advise members that, due to the high number of members who wish to speak in the debate, I am minded to accept a motion with...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing the debate to the chamber. Given the length of the debate and the number of people who want to speak in it, it is clear t...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Siobhian Brown for an excellent speech. It is the speech that I wanted to hear, because I did not disagree with a single word of it or any of the exc...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate my colleague Siobhian Brown on securing the debate. I know that she is doing much work on youth vaping. She laid out perfectly the issues arou...
Brian Whittle Con
I know that there has not been enough research into it, but is it not logical that inhaling foreign bodies into your lungs has to be harmful?
Emma Harper SNP
There is just a one-word answer to that and that is yes. We should absolutely be doing research into and paying attention to substances that people are takin...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Thank you to Siobhian Brown for lodging her motion for debate, providing a timely opportunity to discuss the phenomenal growth in vaping that has left behind...
The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for lodging the motion and offer my thanks to all the members across the chamber who have taken part in discussing what we can all agr...
Brian Whittle Con
Surely what we should be looking to do here is make it as difficult as possible for our youth to get hold of these products and to punish those who supply to...
Maree Todd SNP
We are working very closely with Trading Standards Scotland to understand what key improvements could be made in Scotland to stamp out illegal sales. I also ...
Gillian Mackay Green
I thank the minister for taking an intervention. She recognised the impact that the tobacco industry has. Will she join the calls that I have made to retaile...
Maree Todd SNP
Yes, absolutely. We are considering all these things. We have started to take action. Last year we consulted on restrictions on the advertising and promotion...
Brian Whittle Con
I thank the minister very much for indulging me again. Should we not be organising a marketing counter strategy that takes a pride in Scotland approach, in t...
Maree Todd SNP
We need to consider all aspects of how to get to the crux of this problem, but we need to remember that it is a highly addictive product that is being market...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the debate. Meeting closed at 18:36.