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Meeting of the Parliament 31 January 2023 [Draft]

31 Jan 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Youth Vaping

I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing the debate to the chamber. Given the length of the debate and the number of people who want to speak in it, it is clear that we are debating an issue of real concern, and it is one that I have spoken about before.

It does not seem that long ago that, in meetings in my office, vaping companies were lobbying me to support them. It was a great surprise to them that I was very strongly against universal access. They thought that I would support them because vapes were being marketed as a tool to quit smoking, which is the one area in which I would support their use. I was very interested to hear Stephanie Callaghan talk about her experiences. I would support the use of vaping as a medical intervention that has been recommended by medical professionals.

I well remember asking one particular vaping company, “Who owns the company?” Of course, I knew that the owner was a tobacco company, so the question that I put was, “Are you really suggesting that tobacco companies are producing these products to help their customers to stop using their products and, therefore, put themselves out of business?” By that logic, once they had helped every smoker to quit, there would be no need for any of their products. If vapes are solely for smoking cessation, why are there so many flavours and additives to draw in potential users? I informed the company that I was not that gullible.

Everything that I was concerned about back then has manifested itself and then some. I have a daughter who is in secondary school, and I am shocked at the level of vaping activity among pupils. There seems to be anecdotal evidence that as much as half the student population has tried or is regularly using vaping products. Moreover, there is a whole microindustry around the buying and selling of such products by students in schools—evidence of that is the quantity of products that is confiscated daily by the campus policeman. More significantly, the number of students who smoke tobacco or marijuana or even worse remains high and is climbing.

Vaping is a door to addiction and a step towards using those more harmful products, rather than its marketed use for smoking cessation. Siobhian Brown’s motion makes the very important point that vaping is not without harm, and that harm is yet to be properly quantified. My fear is that we are simply storing up a health crisis for the next generation. Inhaling foreign particles into our lungs cannot be anything but harmful on some level. That is blindingly obvious.

We need to regulate the use of vapes much more effectively and keep them out of the hands of schoolchildren. The marketing budgets of tobacco firms are being used to entice entirely new users into using vapes and then on to even more harmful products. For those who use them, their use is a habit as well as a social statement. Peer pressure is a key driver and, after all, it is not really smoking, is it? In addition, there are all those wonderful flavours, including bubble-gum flavour, for goodness sake—yes, that is really aimed at adults who want to quit. It is too easy for pupils to be drawn in and then make the step to the next level of substance abuse.

I agree that there is a place for vapes in the drive to help with smoking cessation. However, they should need to be prescribed by a health professional; at the very least, we should make the penalties for selling to underage pupils so high that it becomes not worth the risk. We need to take the issue extremely seriously before we have another health crisis on our hands.

I again thank Siobhian Brown for giving us the opportunity to raise the issue in the strongest possible way and to urge our Governments to take the appropriate urgent action to get such products out of the hands of our children.

18:15  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-07290, in the name of Siobhian Brown, on concern regarding youth vaping. The debate wi...
Siobhian Brown (Ayr) (SNP) SNP
I thank everybody who has supported the motion and those who are taking part in the debate. I am really looking forward to all contributions. I lodged the m...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in this very important debate. I thank my friend and colleague Siobhian Brown for bringing it to the chamber and for her very informati...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to be able to contribute, and I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing this important debate to the chamber. As Asthma + Lung UK Scotland’s parliamen...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The member mentioned flavours that are approved for food but, just because something is approved for food does not mean that it is okay to go into people’s l...
Alexander Stewart Con
I completely concur with that. As I said, they are not there for that specific use or to be ingested in that way; they are there for the food impact. I ment...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for securing the debate, which is on an issue of increasing urgency. According to the BBC Radio 4 programme “All Consuming”, the globa...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate the member for Ayr on securing this members’ business debate, which ensures that this topic is given the prominence that it deserves in this c...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate my colleague Siobhian Brown on securing debating time on this important matter. With sweet flavours, colourful packaging and low prices...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I congratulate Siobhian Brown on securing time for this really important debate, and I thank all those who have been campaigning on the issue, particularly L...
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing the debate to the chamber and for all the work that she has been doing on the issue for quite some time. There have been...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before I call the next speaker, I advise members that, due to the high number of members who wish to speak in the debate, I am minded to accept a motion with...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing the debate to the chamber. Given the length of the debate and the number of people who want to speak in it, it is clear t...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Siobhian Brown for an excellent speech. It is the speech that I wanted to hear, because I did not disagree with a single word of it or any of the exc...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate my colleague Siobhian Brown on securing the debate. I know that she is doing much work on youth vaping. She laid out perfectly the issues arou...
Brian Whittle Con
I know that there has not been enough research into it, but is it not logical that inhaling foreign bodies into your lungs has to be harmful?
Emma Harper SNP
There is just a one-word answer to that and that is yes. We should absolutely be doing research into and paying attention to substances that people are takin...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Thank you to Siobhian Brown for lodging her motion for debate, providing a timely opportunity to discuss the phenomenal growth in vaping that has left behind...
The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for lodging the motion and offer my thanks to all the members across the chamber who have taken part in discussing what we can all agr...
Brian Whittle Con
Surely what we should be looking to do here is make it as difficult as possible for our youth to get hold of these products and to punish those who supply to...
Maree Todd SNP
We are working very closely with Trading Standards Scotland to understand what key improvements could be made in Scotland to stamp out illegal sales. I also ...
Gillian Mackay Green
I thank the minister for taking an intervention. She recognised the impact that the tobacco industry has. Will she join the calls that I have made to retaile...
Maree Todd SNP
Yes, absolutely. We are considering all these things. We have started to take action. Last year we consulted on restrictions on the advertising and promotion...
Brian Whittle Con
I thank the minister very much for indulging me again. Should we not be organising a marketing counter strategy that takes a pride in Scotland approach, in t...
Maree Todd SNP
We need to consider all aspects of how to get to the crux of this problem, but we need to remember that it is a highly addictive product that is being market...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the debate. Meeting closed at 18:36.