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Meeting of the Parliament 31 January 2023 [Draft]

31 Jan 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Youth Vaping
Callaghan, Stephanie SNP Uddingston and Bellshill Watch on SPTV

I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing the debate to the chamber and for all the work that she has been doing on the issue for quite some time.

There have been some great speeches that have covered all the main points—sales and advertising, flavours, recent reports and statistics, the environmental impacts and the health impacts—so I will keep my contribution quite short. However, I wanted to speak in the debate because—I admit it—I am a vaper. Quite a lot of people know that already; I have vaped for several years. My mum is always on at me to stop, and I hope that, one day, I will, but not right now.

After smoking cigarettes for 30-plus years, I am massively relieved that I now vape instead of smoking. Giving up the fags is probably the best thing that I have ever done for myself. I used to lie awake at night worrying. I did not want to die and not see my children grow up and not meet my grandkids. Cigarettes kill, as I think we all know. My dad died of lung cancer in 2020. His dad—my granda—was also a smoker and he died of lung cancer relatively young. My mum was a smoker, but she stopped decades ago. She has chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, which is likely to have been caused by the fags.

For many people, vaping is a really valuable route to stopping smoking. I am not sure that I could ever have stopped otherwise, and I am certainly not alone in that. However, although quitting smoking is one of the best things that I have ever done, and vaping helped me to get there, as a parent, I am seriously worried about the sharp rise in the number of young people who regularly use vapes.

The main point that I want to labour tonight is that although vaping is a valuable tool in stopping smoking, marketing recreational single-use vapes to young people who have never smoked is an entirely different issue. We must not conflate the two. Evidence shows that vapes are less harmful than tobacco, but we do not yet know what long-term health harms are caused by breathing vape liquids into your lungs. Frankly, it is high time that we got rid of the rainbow displays at vape bars, where every flavour under the sun is available. I fully support the suggestions that have been made by other members.

Is vaping less dangerous than smoking? The evidence tells us that it is. How safe or harmful is vaping? In truth, we really do not know, but it is common sense that breathing such substances into your lungs is not a good thing. That is why I hope that I will stop vaping at some point. Less bad than smoking does not equal good, which is why I believe that urgent action is needed to protect our young people and avoid a new generation of nicotine addicts.

I will finish with a question: who benefits from creating a new generation of nicotine addicts? I think that we all know what the answer is.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-07290, in the name of Siobhian Brown, on concern regarding youth vaping. The debate wi...
Siobhian Brown (Ayr) (SNP) SNP
I thank everybody who has supported the motion and those who are taking part in the debate. I am really looking forward to all contributions. I lodged the m...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in this very important debate. I thank my friend and colleague Siobhian Brown for bringing it to the chamber and for her very informati...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to be able to contribute, and I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing this important debate to the chamber. As Asthma + Lung UK Scotland’s parliamen...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The member mentioned flavours that are approved for food but, just because something is approved for food does not mean that it is okay to go into people’s l...
Alexander Stewart Con
I completely concur with that. As I said, they are not there for that specific use or to be ingested in that way; they are there for the food impact. I ment...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for securing the debate, which is on an issue of increasing urgency. According to the BBC Radio 4 programme “All Consuming”, the globa...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate the member for Ayr on securing this members’ business debate, which ensures that this topic is given the prominence that it deserves in this c...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate my colleague Siobhian Brown on securing debating time on this important matter. With sweet flavours, colourful packaging and low prices...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I congratulate Siobhian Brown on securing time for this really important debate, and I thank all those who have been campaigning on the issue, particularly L...
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing the debate to the chamber and for all the work that she has been doing on the issue for quite some time. There have been...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before I call the next speaker, I advise members that, due to the high number of members who wish to speak in the debate, I am minded to accept a motion with...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing the debate to the chamber. Given the length of the debate and the number of people who want to speak in it, it is clear t...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Siobhian Brown for an excellent speech. It is the speech that I wanted to hear, because I did not disagree with a single word of it or any of the exc...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate my colleague Siobhian Brown on securing the debate. I know that she is doing much work on youth vaping. She laid out perfectly the issues arou...
Brian Whittle Con
I know that there has not been enough research into it, but is it not logical that inhaling foreign bodies into your lungs has to be harmful?
Emma Harper SNP
There is just a one-word answer to that and that is yes. We should absolutely be doing research into and paying attention to substances that people are takin...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Thank you to Siobhian Brown for lodging her motion for debate, providing a timely opportunity to discuss the phenomenal growth in vaping that has left behind...
The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for lodging the motion and offer my thanks to all the members across the chamber who have taken part in discussing what we can all agr...
Brian Whittle Con
Surely what we should be looking to do here is make it as difficult as possible for our youth to get hold of these products and to punish those who supply to...
Maree Todd SNP
We are working very closely with Trading Standards Scotland to understand what key improvements could be made in Scotland to stamp out illegal sales. I also ...
Gillian Mackay Green
I thank the minister for taking an intervention. She recognised the impact that the tobacco industry has. Will she join the calls that I have made to retaile...
Maree Todd SNP
Yes, absolutely. We are considering all these things. We have started to take action. Last year we consulted on restrictions on the advertising and promotion...
Brian Whittle Con
I thank the minister very much for indulging me again. Should we not be organising a marketing counter strategy that takes a pride in Scotland approach, in t...
Maree Todd SNP
We need to consider all aspects of how to get to the crux of this problem, but we need to remember that it is a highly addictive product that is being market...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the debate. Meeting closed at 18:36.