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Meeting of the Parliament 31 January 2023 [Draft]

31 Jan 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Youth Vaping

I congratulate the member for Ayr on securing this members’ business debate, which ensures that this topic is given the prominence that it deserves in this chamber. I was pleased to sign her motion. She is not alone in noticing the huge rise in the number of young people who are vaping, which should be a cause for concern for every one of us.

The rise in the number of young people using disposable vapes is clearly an issue, and we are not alone in thinking that it is. Research by Asthma + Lung UK Scotland shows that 83 per cent of Scots are concerned about the use of vaping products in schools and that 82 per cent are concerned about the marketing of such products. There is an obligation on us to respond to those concerns. Although there remains some dubiety about the long-term health risks, I believe that it would be foolish to assume anything other than that vapes are, ultimately, bad for young people and for the wider public. That is the basis on which we, as legislators, should determine our public health response.

I agree with the calls for increased regulation of such products, particularly disposable vapes, given the environmental damage that they cause, but I remain unconvinced by the calls for outright prohibition and a blanket ban. The reason for that is quite simple: I do not think that outright prohibition works in reducing the harm of any so-called vice in society. As we have seen throughout history, attempts to ban products such as alcohol or drugs often lead to a black market—unregulated trade that is dominated by organised crime—which often makes the problem worse.

That said, however, I believe that we have to be more diligent in the regulation of the industry. It seems perverse to me that we put cigarettes behind shutters and regulate packaging to make cigarettes less attractive but we allow vapes to be displayed prominently in shop windows in shiny, colourful packages, which are clearly designed to attract younger people to try them out. Indeed, just yesterday, a constituent sent me an email about a store in Glasgow that advertises vapes right next to slushies and desserts of the same flavour. That is clearly and cynically designed to manipulate young people’s consumer habits.

I do not know whether anyone is a fan of “Mad Men” but, in the pilot episode, which is set in the 1960s, Lucky Strike is concerned about Reader’s Digest first reporting the risk of cancer from cigarettes, so it decides to market them with the slogan “It’s toasted” to make them sound more benign and less potentially hazardous for consumers. That shows that a deceptive form of marketing that tries to seduce people into thinking that products are benign—whether it is cigarettes or, potentially, vapes—has long been a characteristic of the tobacco industry and similar vendors.

If the health risks are deemed to be similar, the regulation and policy response must surely be equally stringent. I would like the Government to explore that when considering a response to this growing problem. When dealing with increased regulation, we also need to consider the sanctions for those who are caught selling such products to under-18s. Anecdotally, it seems that young people under the age of 18 find getting hold of vaping products easier than getting hold of cigarettes, and we have to look at why that is the case. Clearly, the regulations that the Government introduced in April 2017 are proving to be ineffective in that regard. I am in favour of tougher sanctions on shopkeepers to ensure that they are suitably deterred from illegally selling such products.

In addition to the potential health risks, there are environmental concerns about the prevalence of disposal vapes. Those concerns have merit, so Labour supports, in principle, the Government’s position on a ban on disposable vape products. I hope that further study will show that that would result in a reduction in the levels of youth vaping.

As I said earlier, I am generally sceptical of outright bans, but it would be worth while to carry out an exercise to see whether we can reduce harm. At the very least, we need to make such products look significantly less attractive to young people, and we need to deal with the environmental impact of their use. If a ban is not appropriate, we should consider whether a return scheme of some description could be rapidly introduced to minimise the impact of their use on the environment.

We clearly have a problem on our hands, and the policy response to it will need to be multifaceted and measured. Taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut will not solve the issue. This is a perfect example of the need for us, as legislators, to know our limits. In the long term, although we might not want to introduce an outright ban, I hope that regulations of the kind that we have discussed today might exert a more positive influence on consumer behaviour in order to reduce public health risks and the environmental harms that we see today.

17:58  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-07290, in the name of Siobhian Brown, on concern regarding youth vaping. The debate wi...
Siobhian Brown (Ayr) (SNP) SNP
I thank everybody who has supported the motion and those who are taking part in the debate. I am really looking forward to all contributions. I lodged the m...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in this very important debate. I thank my friend and colleague Siobhian Brown for bringing it to the chamber and for her very informati...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to be able to contribute, and I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing this important debate to the chamber. As Asthma + Lung UK Scotland’s parliamen...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The member mentioned flavours that are approved for food but, just because something is approved for food does not mean that it is okay to go into people’s l...
Alexander Stewart Con
I completely concur with that. As I said, they are not there for that specific use or to be ingested in that way; they are there for the food impact. I ment...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for securing the debate, which is on an issue of increasing urgency. According to the BBC Radio 4 programme “All Consuming”, the globa...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate the member for Ayr on securing this members’ business debate, which ensures that this topic is given the prominence that it deserves in this c...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate my colleague Siobhian Brown on securing debating time on this important matter. With sweet flavours, colourful packaging and low prices...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I congratulate Siobhian Brown on securing time for this really important debate, and I thank all those who have been campaigning on the issue, particularly L...
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing the debate to the chamber and for all the work that she has been doing on the issue for quite some time. There have been...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before I call the next speaker, I advise members that, due to the high number of members who wish to speak in the debate, I am minded to accept a motion with...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Siobhian Brown for bringing the debate to the chamber. Given the length of the debate and the number of people who want to speak in it, it is clear t...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Siobhian Brown for an excellent speech. It is the speech that I wanted to hear, because I did not disagree with a single word of it or any of the exc...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate my colleague Siobhian Brown on securing the debate. I know that she is doing much work on youth vaping. She laid out perfectly the issues arou...
Brian Whittle Con
I know that there has not been enough research into it, but is it not logical that inhaling foreign bodies into your lungs has to be harmful?
Emma Harper SNP
There is just a one-word answer to that and that is yes. We should absolutely be doing research into and paying attention to substances that people are takin...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Thank you to Siobhian Brown for lodging her motion for debate, providing a timely opportunity to discuss the phenomenal growth in vaping that has left behind...
The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown for lodging the motion and offer my thanks to all the members across the chamber who have taken part in discussing what we can all agr...
Brian Whittle Con
Surely what we should be looking to do here is make it as difficult as possible for our youth to get hold of these products and to punish those who supply to...
Maree Todd SNP
We are working very closely with Trading Standards Scotland to understand what key improvements could be made in Scotland to stamp out illegal sales. I also ...
Gillian Mackay Green
I thank the minister for taking an intervention. She recognised the impact that the tobacco industry has. Will she join the calls that I have made to retaile...
Maree Todd SNP
Yes, absolutely. We are considering all these things. We have started to take action. Last year we consulted on restrictions on the advertising and promotion...
Brian Whittle Con
I thank the minister very much for indulging me again. Should we not be organising a marketing counter strategy that takes a pride in Scotland approach, in t...
Maree Todd SNP
We need to consider all aspects of how to get to the crux of this problem, but we need to remember that it is a highly addictive product that is being market...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the debate. Meeting closed at 18:36.