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Meeting of the Parliament 25 January 2023

25 Jan 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Housing

We do not debate housing often enough in this place—I do not know why; it is perhaps not seen as exciting enough—so to get two debates in one day is really good. A debate on housing targets will probably not grab any headlines—even very worthy things such as Alex Rowley’s attempt to have all new homes built to Passivhaus standards do not really cut through. However, housing affects us all. We all need somewhere to live and there are wildly varying standards of accommodation in this country.

Solve the cold-homes problem with top-notch insulation and you help to solve the fuel poverty crisis. If our old folk can live in warm homes that cost very little to heat, they will have a better life—we all would. Solve the tenement maintenance problem—as some of us in Parliament are trying to do—and you solve the issue of people living in poor conditions in many of our towns and cities.

Housing matters to our mental and physical health and wellbeing, so delivering the homes that we need is one of the most important things that we can do. However, when you have 47,000 homeless people and 21,000 households in temporary accommodation but 67,000 unoccupied properties in Scotland, something is wrong. When that number of households in temporary accommodation has gone up since Nicola Sturgeon came to power, you have to question her priorities.

I have to give the SNP some praise. It is consistent: it has repeatedly missed its house-building targets. It told us that 50,000 affordable homes would be built in the previous session, which were built, but a year late; it has missed its target to build homes in the social rented sector; and there was scant reference to housing targets in the recent national planning framework 4.

Homes for Scotland has said that we need 100,000 new homes after years of undersupply. It always says that we need more—it is its business to do that—but I do not hear anyone contesting the figures. We know this—we have known it for years—but we do not do anything about it.

We need a homes delivery agency tasked with the job of helping and cajoling councils to hit targets, with the right homes in the right places.

Right now, we are just tinkering around the edges. Not only that, we have a Government that actively damages the housing sector. Patrick Harvie’s rent controls will lead to fewer homes being available for rent, less investment in those that remain and ultimately higher rents. You could not make it up. I just wish that I had, but it is true. We will see students struggling to find somewhere to live—we already are.

We should be encouraging firms—yes, private firms—to build more homes for rent, not putting barriers in their way. We should be dealing with the problem of empty homes through compulsory sales orders. That used to be SNP policy, but it has obviously ended up in that mountainous too-difficult pile.

I go back to where I started: housing matters. It affects us all, and it is too important to let ideologues loose on it. Sometime soon, reality is going to have to kick in. I support the motion in the name of Miles Briggs.

16:40  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-07614, in the name of Miles Briggs, on delivering the homes that Scotland needs. I ask those members who ...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
Scotland has a critical shortage of housing, as I think the previous debate clearly outlined. Given the amendments to my motion, I do not think that any part...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government (Shona Robison) SNP
If Miles Briggs has been meeting with the sector, he will have heard what I have heard, which is that the key issue that it faces is the rate of inflation—in...
Miles Briggs Con
I think that is where the global commodity prices have been impacting. Coming out of the pandemic, issues around steel and concrete have had a huge impact gl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before I call the cabinet secretary, I remind members to exercise a bit of caution in any references—direct or indirect—to the Cost of Living (Tenant Protect...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government (Shona Robison) SNP
I will start by saying how refreshing it was to hear the tone of Jamie Greene’s closing speech in the previous debate. Would it not be so much more productiv...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome measures to modernise the compulsory purchase process. With an awareness that councils do not have a lot of money to complete that process, will th...
Shona Robison SNP
Mark Griffin will be aware that we are considering the matter of compulsory sale orders as part of the review, but any new powers will have to be compliant w...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
We welcome this afternoon’s second debate. Although there is much crossover with the previous debate, we are absolutely clear that the faltering housing mark...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Griffin, you need to bring your remarks to a close.
Mark Griffin Lab
That was clearly caused by the Conservatives’ disastrous mini-budget, which wiped billions of pounds off the value of the economy. We must bear that in mind....
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I apologise for not being in the chamber for the conclusion of the previous debate. I got stuck in a very detailed discussion with Murdo Fraser about whisky ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I do not think that we need any more details, Mr Rennie.
Willie Rennie LD
I apologise for that. I will start off where Mark Griffin finished. I agree with much of what Miles Briggs said in his opening speech, but he cannot ignore ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 16:37
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
We do not debate housing often enough in this place—I do not know why; it is perhaps not seen as exciting enough—so to get two debates in one day is really g...
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
I was surprised to see the Conservatives lodging the motion for this debate when it is their Government in Westminster that is directly impacting the Scottis...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member is in her last 30 seconds.
Jackie Dunbar SNP
In relation to the new target of 110,000, 4,927 affordable homes have been delivered. Indeed, this SNP Scottish Government has a track record to be proud of....
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Ms Dunbar, you will need to close.
Jackie Dunbar SNP
—the SNP Scottish Government is acting to build homes, tackle inequality and better the lives of the people of Scotland.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We have no time in hand. 16:45
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for the opportunity to speak on this important issue. My casework is inundated with constituents experiencing housing issues, w...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
My colleague Graham Simpson rightly said that housing policy is extremely important—it certainly is. I will concentrate on the economic and geographical mobi...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
It is a basic human right to have a place to call home. It provides shelter, comfort, a sanctuary and identity. You have your own address: “This is where I l...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
The need for affordable energy-efficient homes continues to be a central topic in the Highlands and Islands, so I welcome this opportunity to highlight the p...
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
It is a pleasure to speak in this afternoon’s debate. Four minutes is a short time in which to speak about an incredibly important subject. I was a councillo...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the winding-up speeches. 17:06
Mark Griffin Lab
As I stated earlier, the causes of the lack of housing and homelessness crises have to be borne by both Governments. The disastrous mini-budget will have lon...