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Meeting of the Parliament 18 January 2023

18 Jan 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Health Service and Social Care

Well, after that speech, it is clear that the cabinet secretary just does not get it. Under this health secretary, our NHS is on its knees and is facing a perpetual winter, with waiting times for A and E and cancer treatment at their worst-ever levels. That comes after years of savage SNP Government funding cuts to council budgets, and let us not forget the plans for a national care service, which would scrap local accountability and impose total ministerial control, with the cabinet secretary driving the bus.

Let us look at some of his key performance indicators for the past year. In November 2021, just 75 per cent of patients were seen in A and E within four hours, and we should remember that the target is 95 per cent. If we fast forward 12 months to November 2022, we find that the monthly figure dropped to 67 per cent, which was the worst month on record. More than 13,000 patients waited eight hours in an A and E department, which was twice as many as in the previous November, while the number of patients waiting more than half a day doubled to 5,000.

The situation is so bad that, in January last year, a patient waited more than three and a half days to be seen in A and E. Through freedom of information requests, we have discovered long waits even for people to be triaged in our A and E departments. Now, major hospitals across Scotland are so overwhelmed that they have paused non-urgent elective operations.

NHS Scotland is fantastic because it is full of fantastic hard-working and dedicated professionals. It is the cabinet secretary who is clearly underperforming and who is not providing an effective plan; rather, he has provided what can only be described as a flimsy recovery document.

What do all these numbers actually mean? Let me put it into context for everyone here and everyone who is watching at home, because these are real people. The cabinet secretary says that attendances are down. During the Christmas period, I saw an elderly patient who had significant central chest pain. Because of all the messaging around A and E and the concerns about long waits, she was too scared to go in and instead waited to see me the next morning, when I had to have her blue-lighted in to hospital. That lady has been failed by the system and by the SNP Government.

If the cabinet secretary would like further examples, I am more than happy to provide them. I have examples of children being unwell overnight while the parents were unable to get through to NHS 24; of patients having fallen and lying on the ground waiting for help; and of patients with injuries resorting to do-it-yourself measures. In the real world, where I am seeing patients, people are suffering.

In the winter time, it could be something as simple as slipping on the ice that necessitates your being seen in hospital—a Scottish hospital, which is why deflecting is simply not good enough.

What about patients with time-critical cancer referrals? Waiting times for cancer treatment are also the worst ever on record. In fact, it has been a decade since the SNP last met its target. Let us look closer at this health secretary’s stats. In the third quarter of 2022, just 74 per cent of patients started treatment within the official 62-day standard. We have shocking evidence of a patient who waited two years to start cancer treatment, and also of a six-month wait for breast cancer treatment, a seven-month wait for bowel cancer treatment, and a more than 16-month wait for prostate cancer treatment. That is for cancer.

What about children and mental health? The SNP has never met its target—never. We know that teenagers in Scotland who have been referred to child and adolescent mental health services with eating disorders, suspected attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or autism are being told to expect a two-year wait for a CAMHS appointment. Parents are being advised to go private, if they have savings, at a cost of around £1,500.

In August 2021—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-07538, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on addressing the crisis in the national health service and social ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
In opening the debate on the future of the NHS and social care in Scotland, I also want to talk about how we deal with the current crisis. However, I cannot ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please speak through the chair, Ms Baillie.
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does Jackie Baillie accept that she is exaggerating somewhat? Some parts of the NHS are clearly struggling, but other parts are doing very well.
Jackie Baillie Lab
I thank John Mason for his intervention, but he might like to note that I quoted the words of Dr Iain Kennedy, the chair of BMA Scotland. He is not exaggerat...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
Will Jackie Baillie listen to the head of the BMA’s general practitioners committee in Scotland? Dr Andrew Buist said that he “was not at all convinced by” ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
This is fascinating. This is the cabinet secretary who is presiding over the collapse of the NHS in Scotland, yet he wants to talk about the NHS in England. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Ms Baillie, will you resume your seat for a second? We are barely five minutes into the debate and we are already having accusations levelled through the us...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. The SNP turns its back on Scotland’s front-line medics and nurses, while we are listening to their concerns and their ideas fo...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I welcome the chance to respond to the motion on the pressures that the NHS and social care are facing. I remind Jackie Baillie and Scottish Labour that the ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I do not wish to be pedantic about it, but I believe that it was a statement that the Opposition had demanded that the cabinet secretary make.
Humza Yousaf SNP
It was not. This Government proactively offered that. As I have outlined in recent weeks and months, including to the Parliament in that statement last week...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Humza Yousaf SNP
I will shortly. I am all for debate on our NHS, but the debate must be grounded in reality. Our entire health and social care system is still facing the con...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
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Humza Yousaf SNP
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Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
What would the cabinet secretary say to the senior clinician who said to me last week, “I am thinking of chucking it, to be honest. I actually do not know a...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I speak to clinicians every day of the week; in fact, I spoke to the Royal College of Emergency Medicine today. What I would say to the individual who spoke ...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Humza Yousaf SNP
If the member does not mind, I want to make some progress. I have taken a few interventions. I have announced £8 million to procure an additional 300 interi...
Monica Lennon Lab
It is good to hear about the work that is intended to improve the situation, but the cabinet secretary knows as well as I do that, in Lanarkshire, we have ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please begin to conclude, cabinet secretary.
Humza Yousaf SNP
I absolutely think that we will see an improvement in Lanarkshire. I have spoken to the new chief executive, Jann Gardner, and I urge Monica Lennon to do so ...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Well, after that speech, it is clear that the cabinet secretary just does not get it. Under this health secretary, our NHS is on its knees and is facing a pe...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sandesh Gulhane Con
—the cabinet secretary committed to clearing waiting lists in both mental health and psychological therapies by March 2023. With more than 8,000 people waiti...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I am afraid that I have no time. Scots either have to sit back—
Bob Doris SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I was very clear, and I think that members should maybe listen. Scots either have to sit back, shut up and wait, or dig deep and go private to get basic heal...