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Meeting of the Parliament 22 December 2022

22 Dec 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Maternity Services in Moray

That would be great, Presiding Officer. It is much appreciated.

I want to touch on a number of issues that have been raised directly with me. It may be better for me to write to some members, because of the time constraints.

The question about external assurance was raised by a number of members. There may be some perceived distrust of the health board. I have two things to say on that. First, an external assurance panel is in place. Members have met Linda de Caestecker, who is heading that panel. She is not the only person who is part of that panel; as the name suggests, a number of people are involved in it.

Secondly, I am not minded to put an external project manager into Grampian. NHS Grampian has to have ownership of this. I sincerely believe from the discussions that I have had with it that it has an absolute commitment. I think that its plan, which has a far shorter timescale than some members had expected—they had raised 10 years and seven years with me previously—shows that it is committed to this.

On the issue around C-sections, I am always clear that it is good to take clinical advice, so why did we come up with a different timescale previously? It is because that was the timescale that was in the Ralph Roberts report, which was presented to me. That report was rightly interrogated by clinicians and they have come up with the timescale of early 2025 for elective C-sections to be reinstated to Dr Gray’s.

A number of colleagues raised NES, in relation to both NHS Grampian and NHS Highland. Touching on what Finlay Carson said, I note the broader issue that it is really important to get more trainees to train in rural Scotland, and NES is fully involved in that very mission. In fact, it has been left in no doubt about my expectation of its involvement in relation to Dr Gray’s. Given that I have only a little time left, I will write to members about that.

Karen Adam made an excellent point about freedom of movement and immigration. Having raised the issue with the UK Government, I can say that, certainly from a health perspective, my fellow health secretary understands the need for the Home Office and those who are responsible for immigration to work to help us to plug some of the gaps in the workforce. That would not be a panacea, but it could certainly help.

I will conclude by addressing Carol Mochan’s point about a women’s health champion. I or Maree Todd will update Parliament on that early in the new year. Carol Mochan is absolutely right and she has every right to push the Government really hard on that appointment. We made a commitment in that respect, but it is so important that we get the right person, because I hope that they will stay in post for many years to come and push the Government in relation to the women’s health plan. I am absolutely committed to that.

Thank you for your generosity, Presiding Officer. I end by saying that the Government is absolutely committed to fully restoring and returning consultant-led maternity services to Dr Gray’s. We will not proceed with model 4. We will proceed to that destination, and I look forward to keeping members updated. I finish where I started, by wishing you all the very best for the festive season.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The final item of business today is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-07192, in the name of Douglas Ross, on maternity services at Dr Gray’s hospital....
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Best wishes for the festive period to you and all the staff of the Parliament. I will give a brief bit of background to the si...
Richard Lochhead (Moray) (SNP) SNP
I agree with Douglas Ross that the cross-party spirit around this issue is important. I share his concern that it has taken far too long to get to where we a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Douglas Ross, I can give you that time back.
Douglas Ross Con
I am grateful, Deputy Presiding Officer. I agree wholeheartedly with what Richard Lochhead said. That laser focus must come from the health board, it must c...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I will come to the issue of model 4 and model 6 in my contribution, but does the member agree that, even if there was no model 4, for the sustainability of s...
Douglas Ross Con
Of course I agree with that. My constituents who live in Brodie are far closer to Raigmore hospital than my constituents who live in Cullen, who are closer t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Ross. In the spirit of the week and the season, I am happy to gift a little extra time. 17:26
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
When Douglas Ross said that he was hoping to see “more and more”, I thought that he was going to say more of his children born there, which would have been a...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I say at the outset that Douglas Ross’s words are wise words that come from the heart, not only that of his constituents but his own, because he has been thr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Through the chair, please, Mr Mountain.
Edward Mountain Con
I am just finishing up, Presiding Officer. If you push on with model 4, mums who are coming down from Caithness will not be able to get in, because the beds...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Douglas Ross on securing the debate, and I congratulate Keep MUM and the other campaigners who ensure that the issue is not forgotten. Like Ed...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I pass on my good wishes for the festive season, and I recognise the Presiding Officer’s generosity at this festive time in regard to my contribution. I who...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Carson. You might have tested to destruction the definition of relevance, but at least you did not dress it up as a point of order. Thank goodn...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Members will be pleased that some of the points that I had intended to make have already been made, so I will be quite brief. I thank Douglas Ross for bringi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I invite Humza Yousaf to respond to the debate. 17:49
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I begin, as you and many others have done, by wishing everybody all the very best for the festive season—a very merry Christmas...
Douglas Ross Con
That is a very welcome announcement, which I asked for in the motion and campaigners have been asking for. The cabinet secretary has said that he will not c...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I suspect that I will not be able to do the matter the justice that it deserves in the time that we have. I am happy, as always, to pick it up with Douglas R...
The Minister for Just Transition, Employment and Fair Work (Richard Lochhead) SNP
I welcome the cabinet secretary’s announcement, which is something that I called for when I conveyed the views of keep MUM at a meeting a few weeks ago. Wit...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I can give assurances about that. Before I do so, I say that Richard Lochhead has perfectly articulated the integrated model that we are talking about. Let ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I am being generous, cabinet secretary.
Humza Yousaf SNP
Good. I will try not to keep people back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You may continue for the time being.
Humza Yousaf SNP
How much time do I have?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you another couple of minutes.
Humza Yousaf SNP
That would be great, Presiding Officer. It is much appreciated. I want to touch on a number of issues that have been raised directly with me. It may be bett...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I congratulate everybody on persevering and making it through to the end of what has been a long week and a busy term. I add my...