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Meeting of the Parliament 22 December 2022

22 Dec 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Maternity Services in Moray
Grant, Rhoda Lab Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I congratulate Douglas Ross on securing the debate, and I congratulate Keep MUM and the other campaigners who ensure that the issue is not forgotten. Like Edward Mountain, I want to highlight the similar plight in Caithness for the community there. I hope that they will not be ignored when fighting for similar services.

No one looking at the photos and film footage in the past week could be anything other than horrified at the prospect of driving in those conditions, yet that is the reality for pregnant women in Moray and Caithness. Imagine having to drive those roads with someone who is in labour, trying desperately to get to a suitably equipped hospital. Where there are enough births to warrant suitably trained staff, there should be support for complex labour and births.

Those of my generation remember the tragic case when a midwife, paramedic and baby died when being transferred from Skye to Inverness on icy roads. It can still happen, and we cannot let it happen again, especially when we have the ability to provide services much closer to people.

Members of the Moray community do not have faith that NHS Grampian will implement model 6, which would reinstate maternity services at Dr Gray’s hospital in Elgin. They do not believe that NHS Highland has the resources or the staff to implement the interim model 4, under which women can elect to go to Raigmore hospital in Inverness rather than Aberdeen. As Douglas Ross pointed out, those concerns regarding model 4 are shared by clinical staff in Raigmore. I take their intervention very seriously.

Keep MUM has asked for independent oversight of the project to reinstate services at Dr Gray’s, by somebody outside the NHS Grampian board. Keep MUM would prefer someone from the community who understands the issue, and I believe that that would be helpful in rebuilding trust. Oversight from someone with the authority of the Scottish Government who can act on behalf of the cabinet secretary might also be required. Such oversight would give comfort to the community, campaigners and politicians such as ourselves that the reinstatement of services was being pursued with sufficient urgency. I ask the cabinet secretary whether he will consider that request and address it today, or undertake to come back at a later date with his thoughts on how it could happen.

Members of the community believe that the basic information on which the models are based is not robust. They believe that many more births will be moved to Aberdeen and Inverness than is suggested.

One of the reasons for originally withdrawing maternity services from Dr Gray’s was staffing, and we have heard about the lack of junior doctors. That is an issue in all rural hospitals and communities and, because of it, we miss out on fully trained staff. We all know that, where people train, they put down roots and stay. If junior doctors are not placed in rural health locations, we lose them forever. That concern applies with regard to all health professionals in rural areas, and it will continue until we ensure that rural areas have an adequate supply of trainees and junior staff.

I have raised the issue with NHS Education for Scotland. I ask that, in summing up, the cabinet secretary says what steps the Scottish Government is taking to ensure that it is addressed.

The NHS Grampian board report is full of caveats, and I share concerns that it might never reinstate full maternity services without a concerted effort. I am also concerned to learn that NHS Grampian does not normally invite elected representatives from Moray to its regular MSP briefings, nor does it brief regional MSPs on progress on these issues, which is absolutely unacceptable. That the board does not believe that it is required to brief elected representatives, especially at a time such as this, gives a sad indication of the importance that it places on the Moray community. I hope that that will change, because it does not give me confidence in NHS Grampian.

17:42  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The final item of business today is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-07192, in the name of Douglas Ross, on maternity services at Dr Gray’s hospital....
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Best wishes for the festive period to you and all the staff of the Parliament. I will give a brief bit of background to the si...
Richard Lochhead (Moray) (SNP) SNP
I agree with Douglas Ross that the cross-party spirit around this issue is important. I share his concern that it has taken far too long to get to where we a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Douglas Ross, I can give you that time back.
Douglas Ross Con
I am grateful, Deputy Presiding Officer. I agree wholeheartedly with what Richard Lochhead said. That laser focus must come from the health board, it must c...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I will come to the issue of model 4 and model 6 in my contribution, but does the member agree that, even if there was no model 4, for the sustainability of s...
Douglas Ross Con
Of course I agree with that. My constituents who live in Brodie are far closer to Raigmore hospital than my constituents who live in Cullen, who are closer t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Ross. In the spirit of the week and the season, I am happy to gift a little extra time. 17:26
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
When Douglas Ross said that he was hoping to see “more and more”, I thought that he was going to say more of his children born there, which would have been a...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I say at the outset that Douglas Ross’s words are wise words that come from the heart, not only that of his constituents but his own, because he has been thr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Through the chair, please, Mr Mountain.
Edward Mountain Con
I am just finishing up, Presiding Officer. If you push on with model 4, mums who are coming down from Caithness will not be able to get in, because the beds...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Douglas Ross on securing the debate, and I congratulate Keep MUM and the other campaigners who ensure that the issue is not forgotten. Like Ed...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I pass on my good wishes for the festive season, and I recognise the Presiding Officer’s generosity at this festive time in regard to my contribution. I who...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Carson. You might have tested to destruction the definition of relevance, but at least you did not dress it up as a point of order. Thank goodn...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Members will be pleased that some of the points that I had intended to make have already been made, so I will be quite brief. I thank Douglas Ross for bringi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I invite Humza Yousaf to respond to the debate. 17:49
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I begin, as you and many others have done, by wishing everybody all the very best for the festive season—a very merry Christmas...
Douglas Ross Con
That is a very welcome announcement, which I asked for in the motion and campaigners have been asking for. The cabinet secretary has said that he will not c...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I suspect that I will not be able to do the matter the justice that it deserves in the time that we have. I am happy, as always, to pick it up with Douglas R...
The Minister for Just Transition, Employment and Fair Work (Richard Lochhead) SNP
I welcome the cabinet secretary’s announcement, which is something that I called for when I conveyed the views of keep MUM at a meeting a few weeks ago. Wit...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I can give assurances about that. Before I do so, I say that Richard Lochhead has perfectly articulated the integrated model that we are talking about. Let ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I am being generous, cabinet secretary.
Humza Yousaf SNP
Good. I will try not to keep people back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You may continue for the time being.
Humza Yousaf SNP
How much time do I have?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you another couple of minutes.
Humza Yousaf SNP
That would be great, Presiding Officer. It is much appreciated. I want to touch on a number of issues that have been raised directly with me. It may be bett...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I congratulate everybody on persevering and making it through to the end of what has been a long week and a busy term. I add my...