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Meeting of the Parliament 22 December 2022

22 Dec 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Maternity Services in Moray
Ross, Douglas Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I am grateful, Deputy Presiding Officer.

I agree wholeheartedly with what Richard Lochhead said. That laser focus must come from the health board, it must come from NHS Grampian, and it must—and, I hope, will—come from the Scottish Government and all the authorities involved. However, I have fears because, as Richard Lochhead knows as well as I do, we have had campaigns to recruit people to Moray before—in education—and they have been successful for a period and then the campaigns have dwindled away. When people come to Moray, they never want to leave, but the issue is getting them there in the first place.

A concern that I have with the model 6 report is that there is nothing new in it. We are speaking about the need to attract significant numbers of staff, and I am not hearing much new from the health board about how it will achieve that, but I hope that that will change going forward.

The other area that I want to speak about is caesarean sections. The health secretary said—last year, I think—that he wanted to see a rapid reintroduction of elective caesarean sections, yet the report tells us that, under the model 6 plans, it will be more than two years until those elective C-sections will be introduced. Why, when the health secretary was very hopefully and enthusiastically saying that we could see a rapid reintroduction of elective caesarean sections over a year ago, are we now being told that it will be several more years before that happens?

The other area that I want to focus on is model 6, which is the ultimate destination. We want to get there very quickly, but it is underpinned by model 4 in NHS Grampian. Model 4 is seeing more Moray mums giving birth in Inverness, but I think that that is a red herring. As my motion says, I want to totally separate model 4 from model 6. Model 4 is “fundamentally flawed”, fraught with “patient safety concerns” and littered with

“factual errors and baseless assumptions”,

and it “should be rejected”. The health secretary will note that those are not my words but the words of clinicians at Raigmore hospital, which is where model 4 suggests that more Moray mums should go to give birth.

Therefore, why are we still, on the basis of that proposal from NHS Grampian, suggesting that model 6, which will come years down the line, must be underpinned by model 4? Senior clinicians are advising that model 4 should be abandoned, yet it still hangs over model 6. More shockingly, when, just a week ago, the NHS board discussed that proposal and all the factors of model 4 that underpin its plan for model 6, the clinicians’ concerns were mentioned not once. At the health board meeting, there was not a single reference to the concerns that are being raised by clinicians. That is shocking. It is unacceptable on the part of the board, and I do not know why it is not addressing those issues.

On Tuesday, I spoke to one of the clinicians at Raigmore hospital. He told me that, behind the scenes, no one is proposing anything that would make model 4 deliverable in the short or medium term. Local campaigners are telling us the exact same thing. Keep MUM has said there is “no evidence” to explain

“how model 4 leads to model 6.”

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The final item of business today is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-07192, in the name of Douglas Ross, on maternity services at Dr Gray’s hospital....
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Best wishes for the festive period to you and all the staff of the Parliament. I will give a brief bit of background to the si...
Richard Lochhead (Moray) (SNP) SNP
I agree with Douglas Ross that the cross-party spirit around this issue is important. I share his concern that it has taken far too long to get to where we a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Douglas Ross, I can give you that time back.
Douglas Ross Con
I am grateful, Deputy Presiding Officer. I agree wholeheartedly with what Richard Lochhead said. That laser focus must come from the health board, it must c...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I will come to the issue of model 4 and model 6 in my contribution, but does the member agree that, even if there was no model 4, for the sustainability of s...
Douglas Ross Con
Of course I agree with that. My constituents who live in Brodie are far closer to Raigmore hospital than my constituents who live in Cullen, who are closer t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Ross. In the spirit of the week and the season, I am happy to gift a little extra time. 17:26
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
When Douglas Ross said that he was hoping to see “more and more”, I thought that he was going to say more of his children born there, which would have been a...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I say at the outset that Douglas Ross’s words are wise words that come from the heart, not only that of his constituents but his own, because he has been thr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Through the chair, please, Mr Mountain.
Edward Mountain Con
I am just finishing up, Presiding Officer. If you push on with model 4, mums who are coming down from Caithness will not be able to get in, because the beds...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Douglas Ross on securing the debate, and I congratulate Keep MUM and the other campaigners who ensure that the issue is not forgotten. Like Ed...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I pass on my good wishes for the festive season, and I recognise the Presiding Officer’s generosity at this festive time in regard to my contribution. I who...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Carson. You might have tested to destruction the definition of relevance, but at least you did not dress it up as a point of order. Thank goodn...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Members will be pleased that some of the points that I had intended to make have already been made, so I will be quite brief. I thank Douglas Ross for bringi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I invite Humza Yousaf to respond to the debate. 17:49
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I begin, as you and many others have done, by wishing everybody all the very best for the festive season—a very merry Christmas...
Douglas Ross Con
That is a very welcome announcement, which I asked for in the motion and campaigners have been asking for. The cabinet secretary has said that he will not c...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I suspect that I will not be able to do the matter the justice that it deserves in the time that we have. I am happy, as always, to pick it up with Douglas R...
The Minister for Just Transition, Employment and Fair Work (Richard Lochhead) SNP
I welcome the cabinet secretary’s announcement, which is something that I called for when I conveyed the views of keep MUM at a meeting a few weeks ago. Wit...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I can give assurances about that. Before I do so, I say that Richard Lochhead has perfectly articulated the integrated model that we are talking about. Let ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I am being generous, cabinet secretary.
Humza Yousaf SNP
Good. I will try not to keep people back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You may continue for the time being.
Humza Yousaf SNP
How much time do I have?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you another couple of minutes.
Humza Yousaf SNP
That would be great, Presiding Officer. It is much appreciated. I want to touch on a number of issues that have been raised directly with me. It may be bett...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I congratulate everybody on persevering and making it through to the end of what has been a long week and a busy term. I add my...