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Meeting of the Parliament 22 December 2022

22 Dec 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Maternity Services in Moray
Ross, Douglas Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

Thank you, Presiding Officer. Best wishes for the festive period to you and all the staff of the Parliament.

I will give a brief bit of background to the situation with Moray maternity services, because the issue has been debated many times in the Parliament. Members will be aware that, in 2018, a temporary downgrade for one year was announced and it continues now, as we come to the end of 2022. I asked for tonight’s debate and lodged the motion because, just last week, NHS Grampian finally produced its plan to deliver model 6, which is a return to a consultant-led maternity service. As this is the final debate of the year, it is important that members from across the political spectrum and the cabinet secretary can articulate their initial thoughts on model 6, raise questions about it and seek reassurance.

As a local representative, I appreciate the work of keep MUM and the maternity voices partnership, who have done and continue to do incredible work in raising the cases of Moray mums and families.

I also appreciate the fact that this is a cross-party issue. Richard Lochhead is a minister and so cannot fully contribute today, but he is here again. Rhoda Grant has been a great champion of the issue, as have my Highlands and Islands colleagues Jamie Halcro Johnston, Edward Mountain and Donald Cameron. I welcome that cross-party consensus.

I do not want to dwell on this point, but I note that, when I raised the issue as the member of Parliament for Moray in the House of Commons last week, and as I was articulating the concerns of Moray women and families, I was told, “Diddums” by Brendan O’Hara, the MP for Argyll and Bute. I hope and am sure that the cabinet secretary will want to disassociate himself from the words of his colleague.

Model 6 was proposed by NHS Grampian at its board meeting last week. From the outset, I welcome the fact that we now have a plan to deliver it. We all want a return to consultant-led maternity services at Dr Gray’s. My worry is about the timing. The report states that it could take up to a total of nine years from 2018 to reintroduce the service. I am also worried about the wording. Page 7 of the report states that

“consultant-led births could take place as early as the end of 2026 or early 2027”.

I worry that the word “could” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that report. Let us remember that we were told that it would take one year from 2018. We are now in 2022, coming into 2023, and we are being told that it could happen at the end of 2026 or into 2027. We need the pace to be far quicker than that.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The final item of business today is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-07192, in the name of Douglas Ross, on maternity services at Dr Gray’s hospital....
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Best wishes for the festive period to you and all the staff of the Parliament. I will give a brief bit of background to the si...
Richard Lochhead (Moray) (SNP) SNP
I agree with Douglas Ross that the cross-party spirit around this issue is important. I share his concern that it has taken far too long to get to where we a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Douglas Ross, I can give you that time back.
Douglas Ross Con
I am grateful, Deputy Presiding Officer. I agree wholeheartedly with what Richard Lochhead said. That laser focus must come from the health board, it must c...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I will come to the issue of model 4 and model 6 in my contribution, but does the member agree that, even if there was no model 4, for the sustainability of s...
Douglas Ross Con
Of course I agree with that. My constituents who live in Brodie are far closer to Raigmore hospital than my constituents who live in Cullen, who are closer t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Ross. In the spirit of the week and the season, I am happy to gift a little extra time. 17:26
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
When Douglas Ross said that he was hoping to see “more and more”, I thought that he was going to say more of his children born there, which would have been a...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I say at the outset that Douglas Ross’s words are wise words that come from the heart, not only that of his constituents but his own, because he has been thr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Through the chair, please, Mr Mountain.
Edward Mountain Con
I am just finishing up, Presiding Officer. If you push on with model 4, mums who are coming down from Caithness will not be able to get in, because the beds...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Douglas Ross on securing the debate, and I congratulate Keep MUM and the other campaigners who ensure that the issue is not forgotten. Like Ed...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I pass on my good wishes for the festive season, and I recognise the Presiding Officer’s generosity at this festive time in regard to my contribution. I who...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Carson. You might have tested to destruction the definition of relevance, but at least you did not dress it up as a point of order. Thank goodn...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Members will be pleased that some of the points that I had intended to make have already been made, so I will be quite brief. I thank Douglas Ross for bringi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I invite Humza Yousaf to respond to the debate. 17:49
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I begin, as you and many others have done, by wishing everybody all the very best for the festive season—a very merry Christmas...
Douglas Ross Con
That is a very welcome announcement, which I asked for in the motion and campaigners have been asking for. The cabinet secretary has said that he will not c...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I suspect that I will not be able to do the matter the justice that it deserves in the time that we have. I am happy, as always, to pick it up with Douglas R...
The Minister for Just Transition, Employment and Fair Work (Richard Lochhead) SNP
I welcome the cabinet secretary’s announcement, which is something that I called for when I conveyed the views of keep MUM at a meeting a few weeks ago. Wit...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I can give assurances about that. Before I do so, I say that Richard Lochhead has perfectly articulated the integrated model that we are talking about. Let ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I am being generous, cabinet secretary.
Humza Yousaf SNP
Good. I will try not to keep people back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You may continue for the time being.
Humza Yousaf SNP
How much time do I have?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you another couple of minutes.
Humza Yousaf SNP
That would be great, Presiding Officer. It is much appreciated. I want to touch on a number of issues that have been raised directly with me. It may be bett...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I congratulate everybody on persevering and making it through to the end of what has been a long week and a busy term. I add my...