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Meeting of the Parliament 22 December 2022

22 Dec 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

No; both routes will be open to people once the legislation is enacted.

Following her visit to the UK, the Council of Europe’s Commissioner for Human Rights commented in her report, which was published two weeks ago, that she had observed the

“emergence of an increasingly harsh political and public discourse against trans people in the UK”,

and she expressed concerns about

“narratives that represent trans people as a threat to others”.

I hope that that will change, but it is regrettable that some of the discussion and some of the media coverage relating to the bill has focused so little on the reforms and their positive impact for trans people in Scotland.

We know from extensive consultation and the evidence heard at stage 1 that the current system can have an adverse impact due the requirement for a medical diagnosis and the intrusive and lengthy process. Those barriers prevent many trans people from applying for a GRC. We know that, of an estimated half a million trans people in the UK, only around 6,000 have ever been able to obtain a GRC in the past 18 years that the current system has been in place.

The bill will make the process more respectful of the privacy and dignity of trans men and women. It makes no change to the effect of the GRC, which will remain as it has been for the past 18 years. Legal gender recognition mostly affects aspects of our private lives and would enable a trans person to obtain an updated birth certificate. That will benefit trans people at important moments throughout their lives—for example, allowing them to have consistent documentation when they start a new job, enabling them to marry in the gender in which they live and, importantly, enabling them have their death recorded in the gender in which they lived.

Although the bill will make it easier for trans people to access their existing rights and go about their lives with confidence that they are recognised under the law, it will continue to be a substantial and significant legal process, which is reflected in the requirement to make a statutory declaration. It is a criminal offence to knowingly make a false statutory declaration or to knowingly make a false application.

Those safeguards have been strengthened during the parliamentary passage of the bill in the creation of a statutory aggravator, where the circumstances of the offence are connected to fraudulently obtaining a GRC, and a proportionate and risk-based approach to applications from those charged or convicted of certain offences that is based on assessment and management of risk in individual cases.

I know that some continue to have concerns about the potential impact on women and girls, and I have listened carefully to those who have expressed concerns. I understand the root of those concerns—I know from my own experience and from many years of working to improve women’s rights that women and girls still face inequality and an increased risk of harm in Scotland today, and that, throughout the world, women are fighting to keep their hard-won reproductive rights from being eroded, often by powerful men.

That is why this Government does so much to tackle violence against women and girls from abusive, predatory and controlling men.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-07312, in the name of Shona Robison, on the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill. 12:52
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government (Shona Robison) SNP
This stage 3 debate is the culmination of a six-year process of consultation and policy development that started with a commitment in the 2016 fairer Scotlan...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
If we are repealing parts of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 in the schedule, does that not have the effect of removing the access that the cabinet secretary...
Shona Robison SNP
No; both routes will be open to people once the legislation is enacted. Following her visit to the UK, the Council of Europe’s Commissioner for Human Rights...
Rachael Hamilton Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Shona Robison SNP
Not just now. That is why we prioritise the work of the equally safe strategy, the delivery of which has resulted in changes in legislation through the Dome...
Rachael Hamilton Con
If, as the cabinet secretary says, the Government has the rights and protections of women and girls at the heart of what it does, why have so many of her Sco...
Shona Robison SNP
Members of all parties have differing views. I could ask the member why some of her own party do not agree with her position on the bill. People have listene...
Rachael Hamilton Con
rose—
Shona Robison SNP
No, thank you. I have also stated clearly that the bill does not change public policy around the provision of single-sex spaces and services. We support the...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Shona Robison SNP
Not just now. The bill does not in any way modify the Equality Act 2010, and I supported the amendment, which was agreed to, that puts that beyond doubt in ...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Shona Robison SNP
I will take a brief intervention from Daniel Johnson.
Daniel Johnson Lab
As it stands under the Equality Act 2010, a trans person can be excluded from a single-sex space on the basis that they are transgender, and therefore essent...
Shona Robison SNP
I am grateful to the member for the opportunity to put on the record once again that, as I have said so many times, the exceptions in the Equality Act 2010 r...
Mercedes Villalba Lab
Will the minister give way?
Shona Robison SNP
Yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Very briefly.
Mercedes Villalba Lab
I am very grateful to the minister for introducing this bill to reform legal gender recognition for trans men and women. However, we must also recognise that...
The Presiding Officer NPA
In conclusion, please.
Shona Robison SNP
As we said in the committee at stage 2, that further work is under way. The bill is a further step towards making Scotland a more inclusive and fair society...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I echo the words of the cabinet secretary and put on the record my thanks to all parliamentary staff, including the very hard-working bill team. It is with ...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Does Rachael Hamilton agree that the amendments that I lodged at stage 3 mean that men on the sexual offences register will be risk assessed so that they can...
Rachael Hamilton Con
I do not agree that Gillian Martin’s amendments go far enough; they should have been more robust. The Parliament should have voted for Michelle Thomson’s ame...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Rachael Hamilton Con
Not at the moment, because I would like to make a little bit of progress, thank you. The UN special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, Reem Als...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We will hear Ms Hamilton.
Rachael Hamilton Con
The Parliament has to think about the message that that will send to young women such as my daughters. Warm words about women’s rights are often recited in t...