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Meeting of the Parliament 06 December 2022

06 Dec 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
COP27 Outcomes

Despite COP27 having taken some modest steps forward on loss and damage support for countries that are vulnerable to climate change, we did not see the transformative leap that we urgently needed. The UN tells us that the new pledges agreed in Egypt will take just 1 per cent off global emissions in 2030. Far from keeping 1.5 alive, we are heading for a catastrophic 2.8°. Our planet is hotter than it has been for 125,000 years, yet our leaders are fiddling while the world burns. Despite the admirable efforts of COP26 president Alok Sharma, there was little leadership from Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, whose most memorable act was to eventually decide to turn up.

Just as we needed leadership abroad at COP27, we need leadership here at home more than ever. Whether it is because of the devastating floods in Pakistan or Britain’s first 40° days, the accelerating climate crisis affects every one of us, abroad and here at home. I have no doubt that the Scottish Government has chosen to have the debate before tomorrow, when the Climate Change Committee will publish its assessment of our progress towards net zero here in Scotland. That tells its own story about what the Government knows that that report card is likely to say—it is likely to be a combination of fails and “could do better”.

Let us take the three big emitters, starting with the largest source of greenhouse gas emissions. Transport is responsible for a third of our emissions, with levels barely below those of 1990. We met our emissions target in 2020 only because the pandemic prevented us all from travelling, yet as we face the post-pandemic rebound back to car use, the Scottish Government’s response has been to axe 240 train services per day, which makes a total of 90,000 per year. It has also still not given councils the powers that I secured in the bill that became the Transport (Scotland) Act 2019 and, more importantly, the resources that councils need to set up and run their own local bus services at a time when our bus service network is being dismantled route by route and bus fares are rising and rising. Bus passenger numbers have fallen by 25 per cent since 2007-08, which means 121 million fewer passenger journeys. Fares have risen by nearly 19 per cent in the past five years alone.

On electric vehicles, the Climate Change Committee estimates that we will need at least 30,000 public charging points in Scotland by 2030, yet the Scottish Government’s own target is just over 4,000 in the next few years. Where is the leadership on transport at home?

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-07093, in the name of Màiri McAllan, on outcomes from the 27th United Nations climate change conference o...
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport (Michael Matheson) SNP
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Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
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Michael Matheson SNP
That depends on the type of technology and the area in which those companies are working. For example, support with inward investment opportunities could com...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Michael Matheson SNP
I ask the member to allow me to make a little more progress first. What did COP27 achieve? It has seen the clearest acknowledgement to date that the people ...
Monica Lennon Lab
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary, because he is making some very important points. I want to bring the debate back to the topic of the just transition...
Michael Matheson SNP
Monica Lennon has raised an important point. We have set out clearly our position that the continued and unabated extraction of fossil fuels is not compatibl...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Michael Matheson SNP
I will give way to Liam Kerr, although I am keen to finish within the timescale.
Liam Kerr Con
I am genuinely grateful to the cabinet secretary. At the weekend, I read that the possible future Scottish National Party leader in Westminster, Stephen Flyn...
Michael Matheson SNP
I have not seen such a quote from Stephen Flynn. If he said that, he is entitled to his view. However, I am sure that Liam Kerr is wise enough to recognise t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I invite Liam Kerr to speak to and move amendment S6M-07093.2. 14:40
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
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Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
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Liam Kerr Con
The member’s intervention rather contradicts the quotes that I gave earlier. However, the point is that we all went to see a just transition, because the cos...
Monica Lennon Lab
I know that Liam Kerr takes the climate emergency very seriously, but we must make real the aspiration for a just transition. If the Rosebank oilfield goes a...
Liam Kerr Con
The member is right—I do take the climate emergency very seriously indeed, as I know does she, which is why she will be interested to know that we must set R...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liam Kerr Con
Will I have time at the end, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You will have a wee bit of time.
Liam Kerr Con
In that case, I will take the intervention if the member is very quick.
Gillian Martin SNP
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Liam Kerr Con
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Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Brian Whittle Con
Does Mr Smyth agree with me that the drag on producing electric vehicle charging points is preventing us from moving to the use of such vehicles?
Colin Smyth Lab
I absolutely agree with that. Recently, the BBC’s “Dispatches” programme showed that a quarter of our existing charging points do not work. There is no incen...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am pleased to speak for the Scottish Liberal Democrats in this important debate, and I thank Màiri McAllan and the Scottish Government for securing time fo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate.
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Can you clarify whether we are able to intervene on remote speakers and how we do so?