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Meeting of the Parliament 30 November 2022

30 Nov 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Violence Against Women and Girls (Men’s Role in Eradication)
McKelvie, Christina SNP Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse Watch on SPTV

That is exactly what the debate is about. Across the equally safe joint strategic board, we have been doing that work and talking to all our diverse communities. Our work is about challenging men, so we need to challenge male perspectives in those communities as well. I will pick up on that in my closing comments.

We need to make progress on advancing women’s equality in a range of spaces: economic, civic, social and cultural. The work of the First Minister’s national advisory council on women and girls has made a vital contribution, and a key priority for us is to continue to engage with and respond to its recommendations.

The Cabinet Secretary for Justice will say more on this, but I will touch on the Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018, our new legislation that better reflects the experiences of survivors by criminalising coercive control. If anybody has heard Ryan Hart speak about the situation that he was in, they will completely understand why we had to do what we did to criminalise coercive control. The 2018 act, which has been acknowledged as a gold standard, recognises the experience of children as victims and shows that the Government is taking action.

I turn now to our engagement—and this may answer the point that Pam Gosal raised in her intervention. Those who have experienced an issue understand it the most deeply. We recognise that, which is why victim survivors of violence against women are, and must remain, at the heart of everything that we do, and we must be held to account by them. I also recognise that those who work in specialist support organisations have amassed a wealth of experience in supporting victim survivors over many years. We value their insights and wisdom, and we will continue to work with those stakeholders as we develop our policy responses.

For example, I know that, just last week, officials who are working on equally safe met with specialists who work with minority ethnic women. I would be happy to share information about that with Pam Gosal if she is interested. The purpose of that was to ensure that there is regular engagement, so that we build our capacity to take an intersectional approach to our work. Expertise from those who deliver services is also central to the newly formed domestic homicide task force.

I pay tribute to all those organisations and workers. I know that their work, and the support that they offer, is truly transformative. I also recognise the need for greater focus on how we engage with young people. We must never presume that we know how best to involve our young people. Similarly, it would be wrong to make ill-informed judgments around how they communicate and engage with each other and with those of us from older generations. We must ask them, and involve them, which is why the Government has been working with members of the Scottish Youth Parliament to ensure and improve our engagement with younger people. I believe that we must seek their guidance on how we address the societal drivers that, so disappointingly in Scotland in 2022, mean that some men and boys still see violence against women and girls as acceptable. That must be challenged.

This year’s 16 days of activism global theme is “UNITE! Activism to end violence against women and girls”, which focuses on galvanising efforts, sharing knowledge and working together. As that theme recognises, it is only by uniting and taking action that we can tackle, prevent and ultimately end violence against women and girls.

I move,

That the Parliament recognises that violence against women and girls is abhorrent and has both a devastating impact on those affected and a destructive impact on the wellbeing of society; acknowledges that the global theme of 2022’s 16 Days of Activism Against Gender-based Violence is “UNITE! Activism to end violence against women and girls”; recognises that the eradication of violence against women and girls cannot be achieved without men recognising the vital role they must play on a daily basis in tackling deep-rooted sexism and misogyny that is inherent in the perpetrating of such violence; welcomes Police Scotland’s Don’t be that Guy campaign as a positive contribution in promoting a wider cultural shift to encourage men to take responsibility for stopping violence and discrimination against women and girls across all settings, and challenging the idea that it is the responsibility of women and girls to protect themselves from male violence, and is united in wanting a strong and flourishing Scotland, where all individuals are equally safe and respected.

15:18  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-07002, in the name of Christina McKelvie, on recognising the vital role that men must play in challenging...
The Minister for Equalities and Older People (Christina McKelvie) SNP
It is, of course, right that this Parliament collectively recognises the global campaign—the 16 days of activism against gender-based violence—that highlight...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Minister, you have talked about the risks, the momentum and the funding that is required, and I whole-heartedly support you in that regard. However, there is...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I remind members that they need to speak through the chair.
Christina McKelvie SNP
Mr Stewart has pre-empted the next part of my speech, so I thank him for that intervention. Earlier this month, I met members of the equally safe joint stra...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The minister talked about ethnic minorities and BAME communities. What work is the Scottish Government doing to reach out to the men of those communities? We...
Christina McKelvie SNP
That is exactly what the debate is about. Across the equally safe joint strategic board, we have been doing that work and talking to all our diverse communit...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the minister for bringing such an important debate to the chamber, and I am honoured to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. This...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will Pam Gosal take an intervention?
Pam Gosal Con
Yes.
Karen Adam SNP
Predatory men do exist. They do not need to dress as a woman or to sign a statutory declaration for a gender recognition certificate in order to attack women...
Pam Gosal Con
The member is absolutely right, but there has to be a balance. I have said that in all the committees that I have made representations to. The balance must b...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour in the 16 days of activism against gender-based violence. We welcome that the subject of the deb...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank my front bencher for giving way. Do you agree with me that, because of that prevalence in our education system, some responsibility needs to be take...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I remind members to speak through the chair.
Pauline McNeill Lab
I recognise the issue, and I agree that we should investigate it in a deeper way and think about how we can restrict such activity. In the social media age,...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Violence against women and girls is underpinned by a culture of sexism and misogyny. Sexism and sexual harassment are normalised in our society. Daily occurr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 15:38
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I have been speaking in debates on the 16 days of activism against gender-based violence since 2016—that is six years of highlighting with other members the ...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am privileged to be able to contribute to this important debate, and I thank the Scottish Government for lodging it. According to Engender, the root cause ...
Karen Adam SNP
Presiding Officer, I am concerned that we are conflating the gender recognition bill with men’s responsibility for gender-based violence. We should not be st...
Brian Whittle Con
I absolutely agree with the member on that point, but the trouble is that, as the UN special rapporteur Reem Alsalem said, the proposals “do not sufficientl...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
I thank the Minister for Equalities and Older People, Christina McKelvie, who has brought the issue of pervasive violence against women and girls to the atte...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Kaukab Stewart (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
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Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
This debate is specifically about the role of men in challenging and eradicating violence against women and girls. I am sorry that some have chosen to weapon...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
James Dornan joins us remotely. 16:17
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
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Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
The Government motion is very worthy, and I agree with every word of it. On Monday, I visited Border Women’s Aid, which I commend for supporting hundreds of ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?