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Meeting of the Parliament 16 November 2022

16 Nov 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Chronic Pain Services

I thank the minister. I think that we are all keen to make the most of the time in the chamber today.

We know about the long delays and the postcode lotteries that colleagues have mentioned. Those issues predate Covid-19 and Ms Todd’s time in office as well.

We all have to welcome the implementation plan, but—as colleagues including Bob Doris have, reasonably, said—we need to test it out and make sure that it will work. As colleagues have said many times today, the issue is affecting one in five people in Scotland, which is 800,000 people. We recognise that not everyone’s experience will be the same. Everyone’s needs will differ, as will their perception of pain, even among those with the most severe pain.

Unfortunately, what brings our pain community together is the long waits for care and treatment. We know that they are unacceptable. I know from my own casework and freedom of information requests that in my Central Scotland region there are patients who have waited in excess of three and four years for steroid injections, when the recommended treatment time is 18 weeks. We have constituents who are supposed to get their injections six months apart who have waited two years. Some have had to go private when they cannot afford to do so. We know that the issue has exacerbated health inequalities right across Scotland.

As colleagues have said, and it is in the Labour amendment, this is not just a process issue to gather numbers for the sake of it. For patients who require on-going care and follow-up appointments, data collection is really important. It gives people a rough idea of when they might expect to get an appointment, so that they can plan their lives—holidays, annual leave, special occasions and so on. It allows Parliament to scrutinise the workforce plan and make sure that we are putting resource into the right places. Action 6, I think, in the document talks about data. That is fine, but I would say to the minister that it is quite vague. I hope that in her closing remarks we will get a firm commitment that brings us closer to what patients, as well as the workforce, are actually asking for.

Finlay Carson mentioned Liz Barrie, who lives in East Kilbride and is a former nurse and a constituent of mine. She is no stranger to the Parliament, as she has been very outspoken, and she is very courageous. Because Liz worked in healthcare, I think that she feels even more passionately about the issue. I give a content warning here. Colleagues have talked about the impact of pain on mental health, and Liz has said:

“I have contemplated suicide and overdosed on pills in the past because the situation is so bad.”

That is not unique, but it is one example that I will leave with colleagues.

Others have said to me, “You would not expect a family pet to have to wait two years for pain relief”, so why are our constituents having to wait years? Those constituents include Liz, who is a former nurse, and so many others who have had to beg, borrow and steal to get the funds for private treatment during the pandemic, because chronic pain services were completely shut down in many respects and were one of the last services to be remobilised.

Some patients, including some of my constituents in Lanarkshire, travelled to Doncaster because they were in unbearable pain and agony and some of them were feeling suicidal. They went to England and paid for their own treatment, travel and accommodation. The previous health minister said that they could probably get that money back, but they have not received a penny. It is not fair, and I hope that the Government will still try to address that.

Time is short, but I have a couple more things to say. Self-management has been talked about and it is important, but when people are given leaflets and told to go and walk their dog or do a bit more exercise, we have to remember that those recommendations are not appropriate for everyone. We have to avoid being ableist. What about people with disabilities who cannot do those things? What about people who do not have the income to do some of the recommended activities?

I also feel that the issue disproportionately impacts on women, and Ms Todd also has responsibility for the women’s health plan. Endometriosis is a chronic pain condition that it takes women eight and a half years on average to get a diagnosis for. The Government has a brilliant commitment on that, but again we need to know that there is a plan to bring down that time.

Chronic pain can be debilitating, but added into the mix are the impacts of Covid, the cost of living crisis and, for those who live in Lanarkshire, a health board in a code black situation. We need to give people hope, not through our warm words but through action. I agree with colleagues that there is lots of good stuff in the implementation plan, but we need the resource to ensure that it will work, and we need the data.

16:00  

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Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
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Jackie Baillie Lab
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
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Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
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Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
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Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take a wee quick intervention?
Finlay Carson Con
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Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
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Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Maree Todd SNP
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Monica Lennon Lab
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Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
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Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
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Kaukab Stewart (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Emma Roddick, who will be the final speaker in the open debate. 16:29
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
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