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Meeting of the Parliament 16 November 2022

16 Nov 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Chronic Pain Services
Doris, Bob SNP Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn Watch on SPTV

It is a pleasure to speak in the debate. I acknowledge the fundamental challenges in the provision of chronic pain services; there seems to be agreement across the parties on that. However, there are also opportunities. I have read the new “Framework for pain management service delivery—implementation plan”, which the Scottish Government has produced, and I think that it is considered, strategic, co-ordinated and potentially—the word “potentially” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here—innovative. However, it also has to be implemented, and much of the debate has been about that.

I welcome the first action in the delivery plan, which is to

“Establish a national expert working group to oversee coordination and development of chronic pain information and resources”.

Crucially, those with lived experience of chronic pain will be directly involved in that. I acknowledge that there has been discussion this afternoon about how we capture that direct lived experience in a meaningful way, and other members have put on record their concerns about that.

We need to be open about pressures and resources across the public sector, and we absolutely need to map out and identify local and regional variations in resources and service delivery in relation to chronic pain. We then need to address those variations. I would welcome more details from the minister about how we set about tackling that—for instance, will the learning from that work be connected to action 6 of the delivery plan, which is to establish

“a national expert working group to identify and scale-up improved pain service planning and delivery”?

A connection between implementing a strategy document and identifiable delivery and change on the ground is obviously important. Between 30 and 50 per cent of people are estimated to suffer from some form of chronic pain, and 5 per cent of people in Scotland report severe and disabling chronic pain that adversely affects all aspects of their lives, so such variation needs to be addressed.

I mentioned resources. The most important resources are the patients, who know their pain best, and our healthcare professionals, who do their level best to offer support. I welcome the action to

“Establish a Chronic Pain knowledge hub for healthcare professionals to promote understanding and learning on chronic pain”.

Healthcare professionals who offer support locally do not always have all the answers, but their colleagues elsewhere across Scotland might. We need to share the expertise, and I commend the knowledge hub. However, it must be easy for healthcare professionals to access, and they need to have time to refer to and use it. I ask the minister whether the hub will allow healthcare professionals to interact directly with each other, so that they can offer peer advice and support, rather than it just being an online portal.

I was pleased to see in the delivery plan a clear appreciation of the greater strain on pain management that is caused by the substantial waiting list for various NHS procedures, including orthopaedics, which gets a specific mention.

I know that NHS waiting lists have been a key subject for debate in this Parliament and that the matter has been politically sensitive. In many ways, those in the NHS in Scotland are outperforming colleagues in the NHS in England and Wales, but I acknowledge that we still have a heck of a lot to do—we must do better here in Scotland, too. I welcome the health secretary’s focus and drive in seeking to do so.

However, that does not wash away the reality of individual patients’ experiences of chronic and persistent pain as they face extended waits for surgery. It is important to see in the delivery plan that the Scottish Government is considering how pain management support can be integrated as part of the pre and post-operative care pathways.

The other day, I met a constituent who has waited about a year for an orthopaedic procedure. Unfortunately, that wait is likely to go on for a fair bit yet. Understandably, their on-going pain impacts on their quality of life and on their employment. They need their surgery, but they also need support for chronic pain, which is being exacerbated by their lengthy wait.

Given that reducing surgical waiting times is an on-going challenge—across the UK—it is important to embed support for chronic pain management and support into services that are offered to patients who face long waits. My understanding is that the delivery plan seeks to do that, and I would welcome further details on how it will achieve that.

In the case of my constituent, their GP has tried to be supportive on pain management, and I hope that their referral for physiotherapy has been helpful to a degree. However, it is clear that that person needs their surgery—that is the reality.

The delivery plan talks a lot about specialist services. I draw Parliament’s attention to action 8, which is to

“Establish the NHS pain service managers network to improve coordination and planning of specialist pain services”.

Who could disagree with that? We must do that. Where possible, we must also promote pain self-management. It should not be one or t’other; it should be a commitment to both. What a specialist service looks like might change over time. That must be evidence based, and it must take patients and the chronic pain community with it.

At the start of my speech, I mentioned that the delivery plan is considered, strategic, co-ordinated, integrated and—potentially—innovative. However, it must also be monitored for delivery on the ground. I would welcome more details on how that will be achieved. The plan is hugely ambitious and I am hugely supportive of it.

15:53  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
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The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
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Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
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Maree Todd SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
How many follow-up appointments were provided within the target period? How long did people have to wait for follow-up appointments? The minister suggests th...
Maree Todd SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
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Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
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Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
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Sandesh Gulhane Con
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Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
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Maree Todd SNP
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Jackie Baillie Lab
I always welcome good news. However, I will share with the minister figures that I have that show that chronic pain waiting times were just as bad before Cov...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I apologise for my brief absence from the chamber during the debate’s opening speeches. I had to attend to a call from my son’s school. I am pleased to spea...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the open debate. I remind members that there is no time in hand. Therefore, interventions must be absorbed within members’ speaking time. I call ...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in this much-needed debate on chronic pain, and I hope that it will benefit patients who are dealing with that terrible life-diminishin...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
We have all experienced pain, suffering or discomfort at some point in our lives but, for most of us, it does not—thankfully—last long and, after taking a co...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take a wee quick intervention?
Finlay Carson Con
I am sorry; I do not have time. What is provided might include treatment from a specialist physiotherapist, a specialist pain consultant or a psychologist, ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
It is a pleasure to speak in the debate. I acknowledge the fundamental challenges in the provision of chronic pain services; there seems to be agreement acro...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I have the privilege of being a co-convener of the cross-party group on chronic pain, alongside Rona Mackay and Miles Briggs. Like them, I am grateful to our...
Maree Todd SNP
As members will understand, at this time the cabinet secretary is spending every waking moment trying to resolve the issues that our NHS is facing in terms o...
Monica Lennon Lab
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Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I send my regards and best wishes to my former colleague Dorothy-Grace Elder, who has campaigned without pause on the issue of chronic pain since at least 19...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
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Kaukab Stewart (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the debate, which marks another step forward in the delivery of health and care services that understand and support people with chronic pain. I ha...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Emma Roddick, who will be the final speaker in the open debate. 16:29
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
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