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Meeting of the Parliament 02 November 2022

02 Nov 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Road Improvements

I, too, thank Graham Simpson for allowing Parliament to have this debate and for setting its tone, which I think has been entirely in keeping with the seriousness of the issues. I also thank Neil Bibby for lodging Labour’s amendment, which might give me an opportunity, if time permits, to reference ferries without incurring the wrath of the chair for being off-piste.

I also declare an interest. Unlike Edward Mountain and perhaps one or two other colleagues, I am a regular user of the A9, although not, I appreciate, as regular as some. I observe that some of the issues in relation to connectivity and, indeed, safety apply as much beyond Inverness and further north as they do in relation to the Perth to Inverness stage. However, I will focus most of my remarks on the A9, as I am more familiar with the conditions and circumstances on it than I am with the A96.

The case for improvement by dualling has long been accepted, and dualling has long been promised. What we are talking about is the pace at which that commitment is delivered. One of the long-standing arguments has an economic one about the better connectivity that we need, not least between some of our main cities—Perth, Inverness and Aberdeen—but also between many of the outlying towns and villages beyond them. Neil Bibby quite rightly drew attention to travel times, some of which, by rail as well as by road, are absolutely ridiculous by European standards and even by the standards in other parts of the United Kingdom. If we are trying to encourage people out of their cars and on to public transport, those travel times are unlikely to serve that purpose.

However, the focus of the debate is rightly on the safety case for dualling. I looked at the statistics for 2012 to 2019, and there appears to have been a doubling of deaths and serious injuries over that period. I appreciate that there has been a slight change in the way in which serious injuries are captured in the statistics, but they are fairly frightening figures. When we layer upon that what we have seen over the past 12 months, the case seems absolutely unanswerable.

There are undoubtedly individual factors involved in each case. As a regular user of the A9, it often occurs to me that there is a mixture of regular users who are very confident on the road and people, particularly tourists, who are unfamiliar and underconfident, which is a recipe for problems.

We have seen some of those problems arising from the improvements that we have seen in recent years. A situation in which drivers move from single to dual carriageways and in and out of overtaking stretches can be very confusing, particularly for those who are unfamiliar with the road. Alongside that, even for regular users of the road, some of the junctions can be somewhat confusing and therefore precarious.

The safety case is absolutely compelling, but there are other things that need to be done, too. We need to see that modal shift, particularly in terms of getting more freight off the road. Again, I would make that argument for north of Inverness as well as between Perth and Inverness.

With regard to public transport, we need to look beyond the main routes—having bus routes that link in to those main routes are absolutely vital if we are to encourage more people to take up those services.

That talks to the wider strategic review of transport, which is where, using Neil Bibby’s amendment, I will segue into the issue of the strategic transport projects review. The exclusion of Orkney’s lifeline air and ferry services from that review is absolutely inexcusable and needs to be addressed. I have had useful meetings with the minister on that issue, and I hope that she will be able to confirm that it will be addressed.

I again thank Graham Simpson for allowing Parliament to have this debate and to show the cross-party support that there is for pressing ahead as quickly as possible with the dualling of these vital arteries.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-06520, in the name of Graham Simpson, on essential road improvements. 16:34
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
We have been here before. Nearly a year ago we held an almost identical debate, calling on the Scottish Government to reaffirm its commitment to dualling the...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Simpson is bringing his remarks to a close.
Graham Simpson Con
I am happy to take the intervention.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You will have to conclude your speech within your allotted seven minutes.
Finlay Carson Con
Will Mr Simpson join me in welcoming the news that, after concerted efforts from the Conservative benches, the Scottish Government has dropped its grievance-...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Graham Simpson, you have 20 seconds left.
Graham Simpson Con
I thoroughly agree with Mr Carson, who is a champion of these roads. I do not want to be here, moving this motion, because it should not be necessary. With ...
The Minister for Transport (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I thank the Conservatives for bringing forward today’s motion for debate. The tone of the motion is respectful to the families of those who have lost loved o...
Graham Simpson Con
Of course, short-term measures can have an effect, but would the minister accept that fully dualling both of those roads could lead to a significant improvem...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I think that Mr Simpson makes a fair assertion. If he does not mind, I will come to that later in my remarks. We have made that investment and, this year, w...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am grateful to hear that commitment to fully dual the A96, which I hope to see come to fruition. The minister was written to in September by Moray Chamber ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to do so. I apologise to Mr Ross and to Moray Chamber of Commerce, and I will ensure that it receives a response from my private office. As membe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, I appreciate that you took two interventions, which I am sure that members wanted to hear your responses to, but I must ask you to wind up.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I move amendment S6M-06520.2, to leave out from “believes that” to end and insert: “and indeed the pain caused by all fatalities and serious accidents acros...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Graham Simpson for bringing the debate to the chamber. I would normally say about one of his debates that I welcome the debate, but, as he acknowledg...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Today, Neil Bibby and I were in a meeting with the A75 and A77 action group—the A77 campaign team. What is the member’s response to the group’s assertion tha...
Neil Bibby Lab
I will come on to that. I thank Mr Whittle for his intervention. Investment to upgrade transport infrastructure is not just an issue for the north and north...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Neil Bibby Lab
I certainly will take an intervention. I would be grateful if the minister could clarify whether the Greens have a veto on SNP roads policy—yes or no?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I do not appreciate two members separately taking words that were given in a private meeting with a group in relation to a road earlier today—Interruption. W...
Neil Bibby Lab
I notice that the minister did not answer my question about whether the Greens have a veto on SNP policy. She is not denying the claim that was made. As I s...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I, too, thank Graham Simpson for allowing Parliament to have this debate and for setting its tone, which I think has been entirely in keeping with the seriou...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 17:00
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
At the outset, I associate myself with all the comments that Liam McArthur made, in what was a well-informed contribution on the issues. The A9 trunk road b...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
On the A9 between Perth and Inverness, there are only two areas where compulsory purchase of land for dualling would be difficult—at Dunkeld and Aviemore. Th...
Murdo Fraser Con
My colleague Mr Mountain makes a very good point. I know that communities along the A9 are now wondering whether the project will ever be completed. The invo...
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
The recent accidents on the A9 are, of course, a tragedy for everyone involved, and my sympathies are with the families and friends of everyone affected by t...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?