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Meeting of the Parliament 26 October 2022

26 Oct 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Health Service (Winter Support)
White, Tess Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

It feels like groundhog day. In September, Nicola Sturgeon told Parliament that she wanted to see immediate improvement in A and E waiting times, but for the third week in a row more than 3,000 patients waited for longer than eight hours to be seen in A and E, and 1,350 patients waited in pain and distress for more than 12 hours—not in hospital beds, but in waiting rooms and corridors. Those are shocking figures, not least because the Royal College of Emergency Medicine has repeatedly warned that such waits can lead to hundreds of avoidable deaths—each one of which is a tragedy.

The current chaos is just the tip of the iceberg, because the situation will only get worse as winter arrives. In September, well before the winter months, NHS Grampian in my region asked people to attend emergency departments only in life-threatening situations. Ambulances have been stacked outside Aberdeen royal infirmary and, because paramedics are treating patients in ambulances that are parked outside A and E doors for hours, the ambulances cannot be dispatched elsewhere.

However, the reality is that A and E waiting times are the symptom of a wider malaise that the SNP has presided over for years. Poor workforce planning and a failure to get a grip on delayed discharge mean that there are simply not enough staff and beds to care for patients. An elastic band can be stretched only so far, and we have reached breaking point.

It is abundantly clear that in order to help to prevent bed blocking we need more social care staff now, but the SNP has instead diverted hundreds of millions of pounds—or even billions, because the Scottish Government is not quite sure whether it is millions or billions—into the creation of a national care service that will not be up and running for another four years.

Meanwhile, cancer treatment waiting times are at their worst level on record, and waiting times for routine treatment continue to mount.

More than a quarter of children and young people are still not being seen by mental health services within 18 weeks, and people are having to wait hours—not minutes—for ambulances to arrive. With Humza Yousaf at the helm, our NHS is on its knees. With the resources that they have, NHS staff are working heroically to provide safe patient care. However, staff on the front line are telling us over and over that the system is simply not sustainable.

Just last month, nurses tried to share their concerns with the health secretary about their increasing workloads, their pay situation and patient safety. Shamefully, Humza Yousaf told them not to patronise him. My blood boiled when I heard that. My sister is a nurse, another is a midwife, and I speak to front-line staff every day, and that was just disgraceful. However, for Humza Yousaf, it was just another photo opportunity before retreating to self-congratulation and the platitudes of the SNP conference.

As the crisis that our NHS faces has gone from bad to worse, the Scottish Conservatives have called many times on the health secretary to completely rethink his NHS recovery plan, and we have urged him to go back to the drawing board on his NHS winter resilience plan. Enough distraction and deflection: Humza Yousaf needs to step up, because people’s lives are at stake.

15:25  

In the same item of business

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Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
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Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jackie Baillie Lab
No. Those delays have the most serious of consequences. The Royal College of Emergency Medicine tells us that delays in accident and emergency lead to worse...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I am eager to respond in the debate, and to outline the NHS’s continuing recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic. No one in the Government—not I, nor my collea...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Humza Yousaf SNP
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Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Humza Yousaf SNP
Of course.
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Humza Yousaf SNP
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Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Mr Cole-Hamilton.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We now move to the open debate. I call Carol Mochan for up to four minutes. 15:13
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
Actions are—
Carol Mochan Lab
The minister can shout all she likes, but what I am saying is true. These are true stories that members bring to the chamber to enable us to have a serious d...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Ms Mochan.
Carol Mochan Lab
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Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Despite being the best-performing A and E departments in the UK, Scottish A and E departments are facing capacity issues, and not just in winter. I would lik...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Ms Martin, you need to conclude.
Gillian Martin SNP
They undermine the very idea of politics as a public service.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before we proceed, I remind members again that time is tight and that you need to stick to your allocated speaking times. Members—particularly those on the f...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
It feels like groundhog day. In September, Nicola Sturgeon told Parliament that she wanted to see immediate improvement in A and E waiting times, but for the...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I have a few points to make in the short time that I have. First, I welcome the fact that discussions are on-going and that another pay offer is on the tabl...
Tess White Con
I think you’re in the wrong debate.
Alex Rowley Lab
Please dinnae stand there and shout. If you have something to say, say it.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Ms White! I have already told you.