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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 26 October 2022

26 Oct 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Health Service (Winter Support)

It has been a busy week for bad news across the UK, so, understandably, the Scottish Government was hoping that its own failings would drift under the radar. However, with winter approaching, we need to get serious, and quickly, about the significant problems with the Government’s management of our NHS. It is putting lives at risk. There is a crisis in A and E across Scotland and, quite frankly, the cabinet secretary has been missing in action for a great deal of it. He and a number of his predecessors have overseen years of poor workforce planning, cuts to hospital bed numbers in many areas and a consistent failure to recognise the approaching dangers of the underfunding and underresourcing of social care.

The situation beyond A and E is also desperately concerning. I have been helping one constituent who has been waiting for more than 80 weeks for arthroscopy surgery—80 weeks, cabinet secretary, in serious pain. I am advised that things are deteriorating by the day and that she is dependent on medication to get through the day. I have written to the cabinet secretary about that case, and he is unable to give that woman—and that family—any idea of when it might be possible for that vital operation to take place. I will say it again: that constituent has been waiting for 80 weeks.

It is whole families who suffer. While living with considerable pain, that woman struggles to support her child, often relying on her husband to do things that she would love to be involved with. The situation is worse than just the constant pain. Imagine how that family feels, when, for 80 weeks, they cannot do the things that they would wish to do with their daughter. We should all think about the physical pain and the mental distress. The chances of her situation improving seem to be dwindling with every passing day, as she waits for an appointment that seems as though it will never come. As I have said, the cabinet secretary is unable to offer anything to that woman.

These are the human stories behind the statistics—stories that do not even warrant a headline anymore, as they are so common. If the health secretary thinks that that is acceptable and, on top of that, cannot seem to do anything about A and E waiting times of more than eight hours going into winter—with some as high as 12 hours—it is reasonable to ask why he is still in his job.

This week, we have seen lots of politicians in London miraculously regain the jobs that they had lost, but the bar here seems to be so high that, no matter how often a minister fails, they will be kept in post. I dread to think what would happen to ordinary workers in this country if they made as many mistakes as this Administration has.

Waiting times are a massive concern for many of my constituents. Month after month, year after year, people are living with anxiety and concern about how they will get the treatment that they need. We must remember those personal stories.

We must also remember that hard-working hospital staff are under huge pressure every day, which causes them stress and anxiety as well. However, that seems to be one of those things that people in this Government just appear to accept as a force of nature. Nothing serious is ever done to address the problem; no actions are taken, and it just comes back around the next year. People—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-06437, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on supporting the national health service in winter. I invite membe...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I received an email at 8 pm last night. It was from a man who had taken his mother to the Queen Elizabeth university hospital with chest pains. He told me th...
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jackie Baillie Lab
No. Those delays have the most serious of consequences. The Royal College of Emergency Medicine tells us that delays in accident and emergency lead to worse...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I am eager to respond in the debate, and to outline the NHS’s continuing recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic. No one in the Government—not I, nor my collea...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Humza Yousaf SNP
I will not; I am sure that the member will have his moment. I have no doubt that the NHS had challenges pre-pandemic, but for Labour not to recognise that C...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Humza Yousaf SNP
Of course.
Jackie Baillie Lab
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Humza Yousaf SNP
Unions are still meeting to discuss the latest pay deal. I will let them have those discussions and my door will be open to try to prevent industrial action ...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
People are dying; they are dying avoidable deaths, and it will get worse during winter. Across the country, the Scottish Government continues to fail our Sco...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to my friend Jackie Baillie for securing time for this important debate in the chamber. It is a timely debate. I cannot remember a time when ou...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Mr Cole-Hamilton.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
—nor the competence to make things better today. I say to the Government and to the cabinet secretary: either get it sorted or step out of the way to make ro...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We now move to the open debate. I call Carol Mochan for up to four minutes. 15:13
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It has been a busy week for bad news across the UK, so, understandably, the Scottish Government was hoping that its own failings would drift under the radar....
The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
Actions are—
Carol Mochan Lab
The minister can shout all she likes, but what I am saying is true. These are true stories that members bring to the chamber to enable us to have a serious d...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Ms Mochan.
Carol Mochan Lab
People truly value our NHS, but what is going on is just not good enough. One in seven Scots are now stuck on NHS waiting lists. The cabinet secretary should...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Despite being the best-performing A and E departments in the UK, Scottish A and E departments are facing capacity issues, and not just in winter. I would lik...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Ms Martin, you need to conclude.
Gillian Martin SNP
They undermine the very idea of politics as a public service.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before we proceed, I remind members again that time is tight and that you need to stick to your allocated speaking times. Members—particularly those on the f...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
It feels like groundhog day. In September, Nicola Sturgeon told Parliament that she wanted to see immediate improvement in A and E waiting times, but for the...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I have a few points to make in the short time that I have. First, I welcome the fact that discussions are on-going and that another pay offer is on the tabl...
Tess White Con
I think you’re in the wrong debate.
Alex Rowley Lab
Please dinnae stand there and shout. If you have something to say, say it.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Ms White! I have already told you.