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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 29 June 2022

29 Jun 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Northern Ireland Protocol Bill
Cameron, Donald Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I am genuinely grateful to the Scottish Government for bringing the debate to the chamber. It is an important debate, not least in terms of the integrity of the United Kingdom and regarding our wider relations with the European Union. In such a debate, it is tempting to re-fight old battles and revisit old arguments, whether on the Brexit vote itself, or on the never-ending saga of votes in the UK Parliament between 2017 and 2019. Opinions vary hugely in this chamber, and there were and still are passionate views about the UK’s decision to leave the EU, even six years later. There can be no doubting the seismic nature of Brexit and its impact on Scotland and the wider UK.

However, simply discussing how we got here will not take us forward. In the here and now, we should focus on three issues. The first is the state of the protocol itself and the problems that exist with its implementation. The second is the need for a settlement that protects peace in Northern Ireland and restores power sharing. The third is a genuine and sincere attempt by both the UK and the EU to reopen negotiations. I will look at each of those issues in turn.

The protocol is not working. Rightly or wrongly, regardless of what the intentions were in October 2019, whether we voted for it or not, it is not working. There are four key issues at play, and I will touch on them briefly. There are problems with current customs processes because of the checks on paperwork that have been imposed by the protocol. According to the Consumer Council, more than 100 UK retailers have now stopped supplying Northern Ireland. There is undoubtedly an impact on business. Modelling by the Fraser of Allander Institute and the University of Strathclyde shows an additional average cost of 8 to 9 per cent for goods imported into Northern Ireland.

Secondly, there are regulatory issues that place barriers between Great Britain and Northern Ireland that could increase. Part of the problem with that is that goods that are entering Northern Ireland needed to comply with EU rules, even if they will not enter the single market.

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The Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, External Affairs and Culture (Angus Robertson) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to start winding up, cabinet secretary.
Angus Robertson SNP
I will indeed, Presiding Officer. Just last week, the Resolution Foundation estimated that Northern Ireland will be the least impacted UK region in the long...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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Fiona Hyslop (Linlithgow) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Donald Cameron Con
I will take a very brief intervention. I have got a lot to get through.
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Bearing it in mind that the EU has addressed and has proposed in joint negotiations the opportunity to do exactly what the member suggests, such as cutting p...
Donald Cameron Con
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Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Donald Cameron Con
I am very sorry but I simply do not have time. Finally, there are concerns about governance. Unlike other aspects of the EU-UK deal, where disputes can be s...
The Minister for Culture, Europe and International Development and Minister with special responsibility for Refugees from Ukraine (Neil Gray) SNP
Will the member give way?
Donald Cameron Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I remind members that if you have made an intervention and you still wish to participate in the debate, you may need to press your button again. 16:32
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
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Clare Adamson SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Willie Rennie LD
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Neil Gray SNP
Will the member give way?
Willie Rennie LD
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Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP
When is an international treaty not an international treaty? Ordinarily, there should be a punchline inserted at this point, but unfortunately the joke is on...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You must close, Mr Fairlie.
Jim Fairlie SNP
All that makes me wonder whether Boris Johnson’s volte face is more about his having realised that if the Northern Ireland protocol works in Northern Ireland...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I support the amendment in the name of my colleague Sarah Boyack and I support the Government motion. The member for Airdrie and Shotts and I are veterans o...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Paul McLennan, to be followed by Clare Adamson. 16:51
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
I clarify that I was told that I was not speaking today—that the number of members who would speak had been cut. I have a speech and am prepared to make the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You are on my list and you have been called to speak. I would take that as permission, Mr McLennan.
Paul McLennan SNP
That is fine—I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you, Presiding Officer. It has been a long six years since Scotland voted by the margin of 62 per cent to ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you. I call Clare Adamson. 16:55
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. “O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us!” I have visited Brussels twice recently in as...