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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 29 June 2022

29 Jun 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Social Security (Special Rules for End of Life) Bill

I accept that the pandemic has been an important factor in the delay, but even before the pandemic, there were statements in the chamber that those benefits would be delayed anyway. I simply point it out as a factual comment.

The second interesting point is that the UK Government seems to be able to introduce legislation fairly speedily when it is required, and I wonder why it takes the Scottish Government quite so long. In the debate last week, the minister indicted that there simply was not time for a bill to be introduced in this Parliament, yet that does not seem to be the case in Westminster. Therefore, I think that we have to look at the time that such emergency bills require and consider whether we can do it quicker in this Parliament.

My third gentle point to the minister, with due respect, is that, for the record, the definition of terminal illness here in Scotland is not a Scottish Government definition; the definition was agreed to by this Parliament. If I may claim credit, it was my amendment that introduced it, and it was agreed to unanimously by the whole Parliament. I appreciate that the Scottish Government is now implementing and taking forward that definition, but the definition can be owned by all five parties and by all MSPs who were in the Parliament at the time.

I will perhaps be a wee bit more constructive in my final couple of remarks. It has been really helpful for the minister to define exactly where people apply to if, sadly, they get a terminal illness after August. However, my concern about that relates to how we get that information out to those who need it, such as to citizens advice bureaux, advice shops and other third sector organisations, and to the Scottish public more generally, so that everyone knows that we have a new definition, that there is a faster way to access the benefit and that people can get higher levels of care and mobility allowance more quickly if they go through that procedure. I ask the minister when closing to address whether any advertisement of the changes will take place over the summer. If so, how will that happen?

Come decision time, the Conservatives will vote for the motion. We think that the UK Government has taken a positive step forward. I hope that the motion gets the support of every member in the chamber.

16:05  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-05222, in the name of Ben Macpherson, on the Social Security (Special Rules for End of Life) Bill, which ...
The Minister for Social Security and Local Government (Ben Macpherson) SNP
This legislative consent motion is in response to the UK Government’s Social Security (Special Rules for End of Life) Bill. I appreciate that the debate was...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
It feels a bit like déjà vu, as we had a similar debate on a different social security issue last week. Last week, the minister felt that I was slightly part...
Ben Macpherson SNP
Does the member accept that the devolution of social security benefits is a joint programme of work between the Scottish Government and the UK Government, an...
Jeremy Balfour Con
I accept that the pandemic has been an important factor in the delay, but even before the pandemic, there were statements in the chamber that those benefits ...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Let me start with the substance of the motion and the impact on people. This is about people’s lives and terminal illness—it is possibly the time when we nee...
Ben Macpherson SNP
We all want to move to the implementation of the benefits as quickly as possible and to full case transfer, but I again pose, in a constructive spirit, these...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
That is possibly the first time that I have heard that point about the budget in relation to pace, which is interesting. We could do a number of things diff...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I am grateful to members across the chamber for their time and their contributions to the debate. Although the Scottish Government has taken a very different...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the minister for that clarity. I appreciate it. The confusion has resulted because we face such a confused situation. It is incumbent on all of us to...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I agree with the spirit of that, and that is certainly how I engage with UK DWP ministers and Scotland Office ministers on the process. The only alternative...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
That concludes the debate on the Social Security (Special Rules for End of Life) Bill—UK Legislation.