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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 26 May 2022

26 May 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Social Security Benefits
Macpherson, Ben SNP Edinburgh Northern and Leith Watch on SPTV

Social security is an important human right. It is a shared investment in building a fairer and better society. None of us knows when we might need it or whether someone close to us might need it, which is why, collectively, and especially in these serious and challenging times, we—Scotland’s politicians—must work together to continue to successfully deliver and develop our devolved social security system, which is based on our shared principles of dignity, fairness and respect.

I wish to update Parliament on the progress that we have made, particularly during the pandemic, and on how we will build on that strong foundation to safely and securely deliver the remaining devolved benefits. The debate is a chance for us to reflect on the remarkable progress that has been made since Parliament unanimously passed the Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018, and to look forward to what further change and assistance the Scottish Government will deliver for the people whom we serve.

We have used, are using and will continue to use our devolved powers proactively, purposefully and passionately to strengthen and develop our still fairly new public service and to deliver significant extra financial support to people in our communities who need it most. The Scottish Government has now introduced 12 benefits, seven of which are brand-new forms of support that are only available in Scotland. In this financial year, through record investment of £3.9 billon in benefit expenditure, we will provide support to more than 1 million people.

In this financial year, we have chosen to invest more than the money that is being transferred to us by the United Kingdom Government, by around £360 million. As a Government, we have taken that decision on how we allocate our limited resources and use our limited powers to introduce new forms of support to tackle child poverty, promote equality and mitigate cost of living pressures.

We are taking a range of actions. For example, by the end of 2022 we will extend the Scottish child payment to under-16s and increase it to £25 per week per child. By that point, around 430,000 children who are living in low-income households could be eligible—a fourfold increase on the 104,000 children we are already helping.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-04621, in the name of Ben Macpherson, on an update on social security benefits. Members who wish to speak...
The Minister for Social Security and Local Government (Ben Macpherson) SNP
Social security is an important human right. It is a shared investment in building a fairer and better society. None of us knows when we might need it or whe...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Ben Macpherson SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Members might wish to know that we have some time available to give back for interventions. 15:13
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Ben Macpherson SNP
Could Mr Briggs make any practical and realistic suggestions about how we could have gone more quickly? We have introduced new benefits, such as the Scottish...
Miles Briggs Con
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Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP
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Ben Macpherson SNP
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The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government (Shona Robison) SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
If the cabinet secretary looks at the Official Report of the committee meeting in question, she will see that the DWP representatives specifically said that ...
Ben Macpherson SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I will. Can I get the time back, please, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
You can indeed.
Ben Macpherson SNP
Is Pam Duncan-Glancy suggesting that we should have a two-tier system as we undertake case transfer? That would be the reality if we made changes to the elig...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
That is not what I am suggesting. However, as the committee heard this morning, there will be a two-tier system, particularly for the 38,000 people who are c...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please conclude, Ms Duncan-Glancy.
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