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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 25 May 2022

25 May 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Community Wealth Building

Community wealth building is real for many people, and they will be absolutely insulted by what we just heard from Willie Rennie.

The idea of community wealth building has come as part of the development of a new economic growth model of wellbeing, in which we take a more rounded approach to what success looks like. It embraces the strength, ingenuity, enterprise and creativity of local people to shape and develop locally sustainable economies. That must be a way forward.

The SNP Government has supported the development of that wellbeing approach by being a founding member of Wellbeing Economy Alliance’s wellbeing economy Governments partnership, and by piloting six community wealth building pilots.

We must rethink our models of growth and delivery. The pandemic, recognition of the role that local people play in our communities, the importance of local secure supply chains, economic growth and raising and spending wealth locally all provide further impetus to the agenda.

The Association for Public Service Excellence—APSE—report, “The new municipalism: Taking back entrepreneurship”, is a challenge and an opportunity for local councils, and it sits well within community wealth building. The pioneering creative and community-led approach of SNP-run East Ayrshire Council is an excellent example of it.

The Government motion agrees that we need shorter supply chains to support net zero ambitions. In the West Lothian Council area, the Scottish Government’s place-based investment fund has supported West Lothian College to develop a local skills supply chain for net zero with a passivhaus and a retrofit house to help in the expansion of locally sourced and trained skilled workers in that vital field, with almost £500,000 to construct its training centre.

The benefits of sustainability and resilience are critical to the agenda, and if the minister has not done so, I suggest that Willie Rennie and other MSPs read the Economy and Fair Work Committee’s report into sustainability and resilience of supply chains, and our comments on measuring carbon miles in public procurement.

Anchor public institutions can support sustainable and resilient local sources of wealth—from food to energy. Asset ownership of community-focused buildings and energy sources means that they can be used to further community wealth building development; they are doing so already.

The minister invited us to consider what elements we can consider in developing policy and law. My first advice is to legislate only if necessary. Smart, nimble and enthusiastic policy making by inspired local leadership can often produce quicker results.

On procurement, legislation might be required to give local partners confidence to procure locally. The quest for value for money has often led to choices in favour of supply chains that are now globally vulnerable and which are not well suited to community wealth building.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-04580, in the name of Tom Arthur, on community wealth building—delivering transformation in Scotland’s lo...
The Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth (Tom Arthur) SNP
I am delighted to open the first debate on community wealth building to be held in the Scottish Parliament. Last week, I had the pleasure of meeting Ted How...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I have sat in this chamber for 10 years now, and I have repeatedly heard speeches such as this one. As a Liberal, I love discussing all this kind of stuff, b...
Tom Arthur SNP
I suggest that Willie Rennie buckles up and listens to the rest of the speech. We need to take a broader view of what a prosperous economy, society and coun...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful for the minister’s commitment to the ideas that he is talking about. However, he would have to acknowledge that, despite the seven references i...
Tom Arthur SNP
I will come on to some of those issues as my remarks progress. As the word spreads about community wealth building, some partners have expressed the view th...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Tom Arthur SNP
I am sorry, but I need to make some progress. Community wealth building can combine the resources of all anchor partners, be they project resources or mains...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Tom Arthur SNP
Very briefly.
Liz Smith Con
The minister is quite right about some of the really good things that are happening across the areas that he has mentioned. However, does he accept the very ...
Tom Arthur SNP
I take Liz Smith’s point. With community wealth building, our commitments on developing wellbeing economy metrics will be important. Community wealth buildin...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
This is a hugely important debate for communities right across Scotland. Community wealth building provides opportunities for delivering a prosperous society...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
The member will recognise that my constituency and Ayrshire have definitely not been afforded a just transition over the years. Does the member welcome the f...
Douglas Lumsden Con
I absolutely agree. That is one of the reasons why local government needs to be funded correctly. Without proper funding, it is harder for local government t...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
If we were being frank and honest, and if we went around the chamber and asked every member what they meant by “community wealth building”, we would probably...
Tom Arthur SNP
Will the member give way?
Daniel Johnson Lab
Yes—I would be grateful for more detail.
Tom Arthur SNP
I am very grateful to Mr Johnson for giving way. The key approach is to recognise that this is bottom up. Local communities are the driver and local authorit...
Daniel Johnson Lab
I am grateful for that lengthy intervention. It provides some clarity, but I think that we need to go further. If we look at examples, both here in Scotland ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I am trying not to be grumpy, but I have to say that SNP ministers love these kinds of debates. They craftily entice us to daydream about the future, to thin...
Tom Arthur SNP
In case Mr Rennie misheard me, I note that I did not give a promise of pilots—the pilots already exist. This is happening and has been happening for years. T...
Willie Rennie LD
Well, that excites me greatly. I am ecstatic that the minister has now got the pilots actually working. What about doing stuff? What about doing stuff up in...
Daniel Johnson Lab
My understanding is that, in relation to value, the leases were sold off for just 5 per cent of the total revenues that will be generated. Does Willie Rennie...
Willie Rennie LD
Absolutely. What is worse is that the Government has lumped together all the contracts in a massive leasing round. What does that mean? It means that the wor...
Fiona Hyslop (Linlithgow) (SNP) SNP
Community wealth building is real for many people, and they will be absolutely insulted by what we just heard from Willie Rennie. The idea of community weal...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I will proceed. Unlike the main spokesperson for the Conservatives, I want to address the motion. We need leadership and partnership. The community wealth b...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am delighted to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. As members are aware, it is my belief and the belief of my party that the development of commu...
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP
Does the member not recognise that that is exactly what the Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill is all about? Already, 90 per cent of the red meat that goes int...