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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 19 May 2022

19 May 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Long Covid

I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. It has taken the Scottish Government too long to recognise, document and respond to long Covid, on the back of a Covid-19 pandemic that impacted on so many aspects of our lives.

In March 2020, when the First Minister announced the first lockdown, with the support of all parties, those of us who were in the chamber at the time knew that it was coming but were still pretty shell-shocked. It was hard to imagine shutting down a country. That decision was based on the best epidemiological modelling available to the Government at the time, and we went into lockdown.

We always said that we were “following the science”, to assure the public that there was method in the decisions that were being made with the support of Parliament. Incidentally, the phrase “following the science” was never properly explained. The science continued—and continues—to evolve. For example, the First Minister said on television that there was no evidence that mask wearing would be effective, but we now know that evidence emerged to the contrary and that that position changed. The lack of explanation about what “following the science” meant made it more difficult to take the public with us.

We did not realise at the time that, although the results of that modelling were being implemented, there was no modelling of the unintended consequences or harms that might come from that lockdown. We now know that those were significant. That is where the division between the Government and other parties began. I have asked many times in the chamber, and in the COVID-19 Recovery Committee, how the Government is responding to those growing issues or is even gathering data on those problems. The answer always spins back to tackling Covid. Tackling the health issues directly associated with Covid did, of course, have to be front and centre, but not to the exclusion of other issues.

In recovery from Covid and its effects, the gathering and analysis of data is absolutely crucial. We needed a system that compared the model to the outcomes of its implementation, in real time, so that that modelling could change, adapt to reality and afford us the most informed pathway—an effective information technology system that could gather all relevant data and inform science, and therefore the Scottish Government, on the next steps and arising issues.

We know the impact on cancer care, elective surgery and chronic pain, all of which will take years to recover, and we now have long Covid. As I have said, the Scottish Government has been too slow to react and to gather the data that is required to make informed decisions at the pace that is required.

It is estimated that 151,000 people in Scotland have long Covid. As we have heard, the effects on individuals and their quality of life can be devastating, and there is, as yet, no treatment pathway for those 151,000 patients. Once again, we are behind the curve in comparison with other parts of the UK. Why did we not at least follow their data and plans while we established our own?

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion SM6-04472, in the name of Humza Yousaf, on long Covid. I invite members who wish to speak to press their requ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to discuss our collective commitment to supporting the health and wellbeing of people in Scotland who are living with the long-term...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for taking my intervention. Would he consider assessing certain types of long Covid as a disability, potentially bring...
Humza Yousaf SNP
It is my understanding that, under current legislation, those who are suffering from the effects of long Covid could be termed as having a disability, depend...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving way, and for taking time, in his remarks, to talk about young people and children who suffer with long Covi...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I ask the member to forgive me—I do not know if I have the figure for children. I will have a look at that, and come back to him; perhaps we will address tha...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Can the cabinet secretary confirm whether that data collection will include data on inequalities in relation to the way that long Covid has affected differen...
Humza Yousaf SNP
As I said in response to Alex Cole-Hamilton, I think that it absolutely should. I am being up front and frank about this: I do not think that we have the lev...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Humza Yousaf SNP
I will shortly. I have taken a fair number of interventions. That funding responds directly to needs that have been highlighted by boards and their learning...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Could the cabinet secretary confirm for me—because I think that clarity is important—that the £3 million that he talks about as being additional is actually ...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Yes, it is part of that £10 million fund, but what I mean by “additional” is that it is on top of what has already been spent to help to address and alleviat...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Sandesh Gulhane to speak to and move amendment S6M-04472.3. 15:09
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
It is great that this key debate on long Covid has been rescheduled. However, given the growing scale of the problem, it is many months overdue. The cabinet...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Sandesh Gulhane has described his experience in the foothills of the pandemic. Does he recognise that people who had long Covid from the first wave perhaps d...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I agree absolutely. It is important that if we offer support to sufferers of long Covid, one of the key tenets should be that that should not depend on their...
Humza Yousaf SNP
As Dr Gulhane is a clinician, he will be able to confirm that a person’s receipt of support for the long-term effects of Covid is not reliant on their having...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Absolutely. As I said, from the conversations that the cabinet secretary and I have had, I think that he agrees with us on that point. Long Covid is hitting...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
As others have said, the debate is long overdue, having been cancelled last month to spare the cabinet secretary’s blushes because not one penny of long Covi...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Is Jackie Baillie seriously suggesting that our hard-working nurses, doctors and AHPs have not been treating people with long Covid? If they have been treati...
Jackie Baillie Lab
That is so disappointing, because, even if nobody else knows this, the cabinet secretary knows that the NHS is stretched to breaking point. It is in crisis. ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Finally and belatedly, we debate this devastating condition in Government time. It is shameful that the SNP-Green coalition has made sufferers wait this long...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. 15:31
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
I very much welcome the Scottish Government’s recognition of the impact of long Covid and its commitment to help people who are suffering from that debilitat...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I have heard several Government members say that a one-size-fits-all approach will not work, and that is right, but does Evelyn Tweed not recognise that, up ...
Evelyn Tweed SNP
I do not agree, and I will come on to say why. The symptoms can be life changing, as Angela, a constituent of mine, told me. She said: “Last year I was lea...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. It has taken the Scottish Government too long to recognise, document and respond to long Covid, ...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Does Brian Whittle accept that there is a mountain of evidence that long Covid clinics are inadequate, that they are ineffective and that they simply delay e...
Brian Whittle Con
As I am about to go on to tell the cabinet secretary, what I am highlighting is not a new problem for the Scottish Government. Prior to the pandemic, Scotlan...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please speak through the chair, Mr Whittle.