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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 19 May 2022

19 May 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Long Covid

It is great that this key debate on long Covid has been rescheduled. However, given the growing scale of the problem, it is many months overdue.

The cabinet secretary might be surprised to hear that Scottish Conservatives agree with him. We also recognise the negative impact that long Covid is having on so many Scots and the debilitating long-term effects that they are suffering. We also agree that the NHS and the third sector are working hard to help with long Covid. However, waiting times are so long. For example, our waiting time for gynaecology appointments in Glasgow for cancer patients is currently six to eight weeks.

I am pretty sure that people who are struggling with long Covid—some of whom are watching from the public gallery, such as Stuart, and others who are following the debate at home—will not be impressed if we just continue to reel off generalisations. They do not really want to hear platitudes such as that people who need clinical support should have the right help at the right time. Long Covid sufferers want concrete action from the Scottish Parliament, and they need it now; in fact, they needed it last year.

The Scottish National Party and Scottish Green Party Government’s inaction is having a real impact on people who have been affected by long Covid. When its paper was published in September last year, we estimated that around 79,000 people in Scotland were suffering from long Covid. Now, after eight months of dither and delay, the number has almost doubled to 151,000 people. I ask members to let that sink in.

It is not as though we did not know that long Covid was coming. In March 2020, Scotland confirmed its first case of Covid-19. From the summer of that year, it was clear that a rapidly growing number of people were not getting over their run-in with the virus. At my general practice surgery, more and more patients were presenting with what seemed to be random symptoms such as fatigue, dizziness, brain fog, pain in their joints and poor mental health. Their symptoms continue to be wide ranging, including slurred speech, indescribable headaches, fluctuating heart rate, numbness and abdominal issues.

Long Covid is hitting the country hard, impacting—

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion SM6-04472, in the name of Humza Yousaf, on long Covid. I invite members who wish to speak to press their requ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to discuss our collective commitment to supporting the health and wellbeing of people in Scotland who are living with the long-term...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for taking my intervention. Would he consider assessing certain types of long Covid as a disability, potentially bring...
Humza Yousaf SNP
It is my understanding that, under current legislation, those who are suffering from the effects of long Covid could be termed as having a disability, depend...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving way, and for taking time, in his remarks, to talk about young people and children who suffer with long Covi...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I ask the member to forgive me—I do not know if I have the figure for children. I will have a look at that, and come back to him; perhaps we will address tha...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Can the cabinet secretary confirm whether that data collection will include data on inequalities in relation to the way that long Covid has affected differen...
Humza Yousaf SNP
As I said in response to Alex Cole-Hamilton, I think that it absolutely should. I am being up front and frank about this: I do not think that we have the lev...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Humza Yousaf SNP
I will shortly. I have taken a fair number of interventions. That funding responds directly to needs that have been highlighted by boards and their learning...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Could the cabinet secretary confirm for me—because I think that clarity is important—that the £3 million that he talks about as being additional is actually ...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Yes, it is part of that £10 million fund, but what I mean by “additional” is that it is on top of what has already been spent to help to address and alleviat...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Sandesh Gulhane to speak to and move amendment S6M-04472.3. 15:09
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
It is great that this key debate on long Covid has been rescheduled. However, given the growing scale of the problem, it is many months overdue. The cabinet...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Sandesh Gulhane has described his experience in the foothills of the pandemic. Does he recognise that people who had long Covid from the first wave perhaps d...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I agree absolutely. It is important that if we offer support to sufferers of long Covid, one of the key tenets should be that that should not depend on their...
Humza Yousaf SNP
As Dr Gulhane is a clinician, he will be able to confirm that a person’s receipt of support for the long-term effects of Covid is not reliant on their having...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Absolutely. As I said, from the conversations that the cabinet secretary and I have had, I think that he agrees with us on that point. Long Covid is hitting...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
As others have said, the debate is long overdue, having been cancelled last month to spare the cabinet secretary’s blushes because not one penny of long Covi...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Is Jackie Baillie seriously suggesting that our hard-working nurses, doctors and AHPs have not been treating people with long Covid? If they have been treati...
Jackie Baillie Lab
That is so disappointing, because, even if nobody else knows this, the cabinet secretary knows that the NHS is stretched to breaking point. It is in crisis. ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Finally and belatedly, we debate this devastating condition in Government time. It is shameful that the SNP-Green coalition has made sufferers wait this long...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. 15:31
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
I very much welcome the Scottish Government’s recognition of the impact of long Covid and its commitment to help people who are suffering from that debilitat...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I have heard several Government members say that a one-size-fits-all approach will not work, and that is right, but does Evelyn Tweed not recognise that, up ...
Evelyn Tweed SNP
I do not agree, and I will come on to say why. The symptoms can be life changing, as Angela, a constituent of mine, told me. She said: “Last year I was lea...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. It has taken the Scottish Government too long to recognise, document and respond to long Covid, ...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Does Brian Whittle accept that there is a mountain of evidence that long Covid clinics are inadequate, that they are ineffective and that they simply delay e...
Brian Whittle Con
As I am about to go on to tell the cabinet secretary, what I am highlighting is not a new problem for the Scottish Government. Prior to the pandemic, Scotlan...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please speak through the chair, Mr Whittle.