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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 19 May 2022

19 May 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Long Covid

I ask the member to forgive me—I do not know if I have the figure for children. I will have a look at that, and come back to him; perhaps we will address that in closing the debate. We know that the most reliable surveys on long Covid tell us that more than 155,000 people in Scotland are suffering from it, but we can probably do more on data gathering.

I have said to Long Covid Kids, and I say to Alex Cole-Hamilton, that with regard to any good ideas that come forward in relation to education and educational settings, this Government will seek to not only progress but, where appropriate, resource them.

With regard to our actions and interventions as a Government, I want to put to bed any suggestion at all—although I am sure that such a suggestion would not be made in the chamber—that our hard-working national health service and social care staff are not currently helping to care for people with long Covid. That notion is simply untrue, and my thanks go to every single doctor, nurse, allied health professional, social care worker, member of third sector staff and the many others who have been working tirelessly to support those who are suffering from the long-term effects of Covid.

For example, the Thistle Foundation is delivering its remote self-management programme, with a specific focus on supporting people with long Covid. That initiative has received £60,000 from the self-management fund, which is administered by the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland on behalf of the Scottish Government.

Calum Kennedy talked about his experience of using the service, saying that,

“Thanks to the incredible support ... received from Thistle”,

he now has

“confidence that at some point in the future”

he

“will be able to make a full recovery.”

Chest Heart & Stroke Scotland, which is also supported by funding from the Scottish Government, is delivering a long Covid support service. The service enables people to receive advice from nurses who are trained in managing common long Covid symptoms, such as breathlessness and fatigue. Almost 1,500 people have accessed the service since it was established, and 85 per cent of respondents to an evaluation exercise “strongly agreed” that they felt supported to look after their health and wellbeing.

NHS Inform has a dedicated website for people with on-going symptoms after coronavirus, which sets out key information and sources of support. In addition, all our NHS boards have been delivering support to people with long Covid through providing access to local services that are relevant to addressing people’s symptoms and needs.

As just one example, NHS Lanarkshire’s primary care occupational therapy service has supported people with long Covid to address issues that affect their day-to-day quality of life, including by helping them manage pain and fatigue and supporting a return to employment. One person who accessed the service described her local occupational therapist as being “an amazing help” in her journey.

However, I am equally clear that I have heard from too many sufferers of long Covid that they do not feel that they have had a consistent level of support or care, and that concerns me greatly. It presents challenges for those who are living with persisting symptoms and who, quite understandably, are desperate for an answer on how long their symptoms can be expected to last and what the underlying mechanism is that is causing them. Frankly, it also presents challenges for our health and care staff, who are supporting people living with a new condition for which the chapter in the medical textbook is—I say this in all earnestness—still to be written.

I share the deep sense of frustration of people who are living with long Covid that, although there might be approaches and treatments for managing some symptoms, according to the National Institute for Clinical Excellence, there is

“a lack of evidence for pharmacological interventions to treat”

long Covid. That is why, of course, some of the funding that we are bringing forward is for further research into the condition.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion SM6-04472, in the name of Humza Yousaf, on long Covid. I invite members who wish to speak to press their requ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to discuss our collective commitment to supporting the health and wellbeing of people in Scotland who are living with the long-term...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for taking my intervention. Would he consider assessing certain types of long Covid as a disability, potentially bring...
Humza Yousaf SNP
It is my understanding that, under current legislation, those who are suffering from the effects of long Covid could be termed as having a disability, depend...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving way, and for taking time, in his remarks, to talk about young people and children who suffer with long Covi...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I ask the member to forgive me—I do not know if I have the figure for children. I will have a look at that, and come back to him; perhaps we will address tha...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Can the cabinet secretary confirm whether that data collection will include data on inequalities in relation to the way that long Covid has affected differen...
Humza Yousaf SNP
As I said in response to Alex Cole-Hamilton, I think that it absolutely should. I am being up front and frank about this: I do not think that we have the lev...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Humza Yousaf SNP
I will shortly. I have taken a fair number of interventions. That funding responds directly to needs that have been highlighted by boards and their learning...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Could the cabinet secretary confirm for me—because I think that clarity is important—that the £3 million that he talks about as being additional is actually ...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Yes, it is part of that £10 million fund, but what I mean by “additional” is that it is on top of what has already been spent to help to address and alleviat...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Sandesh Gulhane to speak to and move amendment S6M-04472.3. 15:09
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
It is great that this key debate on long Covid has been rescheduled. However, given the growing scale of the problem, it is many months overdue. The cabinet...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Sandesh Gulhane has described his experience in the foothills of the pandemic. Does he recognise that people who had long Covid from the first wave perhaps d...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I agree absolutely. It is important that if we offer support to sufferers of long Covid, one of the key tenets should be that that should not depend on their...
Humza Yousaf SNP
As Dr Gulhane is a clinician, he will be able to confirm that a person’s receipt of support for the long-term effects of Covid is not reliant on their having...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Absolutely. As I said, from the conversations that the cabinet secretary and I have had, I think that he agrees with us on that point. Long Covid is hitting...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
As others have said, the debate is long overdue, having been cancelled last month to spare the cabinet secretary’s blushes because not one penny of long Covi...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Is Jackie Baillie seriously suggesting that our hard-working nurses, doctors and AHPs have not been treating people with long Covid? If they have been treati...
Jackie Baillie Lab
That is so disappointing, because, even if nobody else knows this, the cabinet secretary knows that the NHS is stretched to breaking point. It is in crisis. ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Finally and belatedly, we debate this devastating condition in Government time. It is shameful that the SNP-Green coalition has made sufferers wait this long...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. 15:31
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
I very much welcome the Scottish Government’s recognition of the impact of long Covid and its commitment to help people who are suffering from that debilitat...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I have heard several Government members say that a one-size-fits-all approach will not work, and that is right, but does Evelyn Tweed not recognise that, up ...
Evelyn Tweed SNP
I do not agree, and I will come on to say why. The symptoms can be life changing, as Angela, a constituent of mine, told me. She said: “Last year I was lea...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. It has taken the Scottish Government too long to recognise, document and respond to long Covid, ...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Does Brian Whittle accept that there is a mountain of evidence that long Covid clinics are inadequate, that they are ineffective and that they simply delay e...
Brian Whittle Con
As I am about to go on to tell the cabinet secretary, what I am highlighting is not a new problem for the Scottish Government. Prior to the pandemic, Scotlan...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please speak through the chair, Mr Whittle.