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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 12 May 2022

12 May 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
International Nurses Day

I am tempted to say, “Follow that” after Stephanie Callaghan’s excellent speech, which was very powerful. I do not think that I can follow it, but I will give it my best shot.

I congratulate Jackie Baillie on lodging an incredibly important motion and bringing it to the chamber for debate. I thank members from right across the chamber for their very thoughtful and, sometimes, very personal speeches. Members have not just—rightly—extolled the virtues of our fantastic nurses up and down the country but challenged the Government on some of the significant pressures that our nursing cohort faces. I will do my best to address some of the points that have been made.

As many members have said, nurses make up the largest single profession in our NHS. They are crucial to the care of each and every one of us. We will all, no doubt, need the attention of a nurse at some point in our lives—for all of us, I hope that that will not be too many times. I reflect that, at any time that I have interacted with a nurse—in my younger days or, more recently, my not-so-young days—they have provided the greatest care and compassion, and I am most grateful for that. Many members have spoken about their personal stories, which I might touch on in just a second.

I agree with Jackie Baillie that warm words are not enough. Warm words are, of course, important—that is no doubt the reason, or part of the reason, why she brought the debate to the chamber. Warm words are important, but they are not the most important factor. She is absolutely right that it is important that we demonstrate that we are focused not merely on words but on actions.

I am proud of our record on how we treat our staff. Members would expect me, as the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, to say that. I certainly do not argue that there are no improvements to be made, but we have had an increase in staffing since 2006 in nursing, as well as more widely in the NHS. In fact, the number of qualified nursing and midwifery staff has gone up by almost 15 per cent since 2006.

Our nurses and midwives are also the best-paid staff. Jackie Baillie seemed to suggest that they were paid a meagre—I think that was her word—£8 more than those in England. However, for band 5, which is an important and significant banding in our agenda for change, the difference in the maximum pay between England and Scotland is more than £1,000—there is a £1,381 difference. That is not “meagre”; it is quite substantial, particularly given the cost of living crisis.

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
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Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
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Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
It would be an understatement to say that the topic of the NHS has been somewhat of a current theme in the chamber of late. The pandemic has thrown into shar...
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I thank Jackie Baillie and Emma Harper for their opening contributions. The nursing experience that Emma Harper brings to the debate is extremely welcome, an...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Emma Harper SNP
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Carol Mochan Lab
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Collette Stevenson (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before I call the next speaker, I advise members that, due to the number of members who wish to speak, I am minded to accept a motion without notice under ru...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I, too, thank Jackie Baillie for securing this important debate. It has become almost clichéd to acknowledge the impact that the pandemic has had on our pub...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I thank my friend Jackie Baillie for securing the debate, and I thank the Royal College of Nursing for its tireless work in representing its profession. As ...
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
I, too, thank Jackie Baillie for lodging her motion. This is a day for celebration. It is a day to celebrate the dedication, kindness and passion of nurses i...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I am tempted to say, “Follow that” after Stephanie Callaghan’s excellent speech, which was very powerful. I do not think that I can follow it, but I will giv...
Jackie Baillie Lab
The cabinet secretary will accept that taxation in Scotland is higher than it is in the rest of the UK, so our band 5 nurses pay more than they would in the ...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Yes, of course we will. We are in the middle of a pay negotiation. I note that the pay deal that we provided in the previous financial year was the best and ...