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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 11 May 2022

11 May 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ferry Problems

I will not take any more interventions.

It is little wonder that the good people of Arran elected a Conservative councillor—Timothy Billings—last week. Islanders such as those on Arran are the most important people in all this. They are the ones who cannot get to hospital or to work, cannot get deliveries, cannot see family and friends, and, in some cases, cannot get to school, and all because we have an ageing and unreliable fleet on the west coast with no clear plan for renewing vessels. It does not matter to islanders who runs the ferries or where they are built; they just want them to be there.

Our motion mentions the 15 stage payments that were agreed for each vessel, and there could be more than that. It also talks about the lack of engagement with the experienced workforce, about which Edward Mountain will have much more to say.

I have been calling for the Minister for Transport to release the project Neptune report, which, we are led to believe, will set out options for how we might procure and run ferries. Jenny Gilruth said that she could not release it during the council election campaign. Well, that reason does not exist now, so she should publish it this week. Only then can we start to have a sensible conversation on this topic, which is what we need to have. We should not get bogged down in ideology. We should listen to the voices of islanders, such as those on the Mull and Iona Ferry Committee. They have been making some very good points about vessel design and how we should look at potentially breaking up the west coast contract into smaller chunks—which is not, as some believe, privatisation.

We will support the Labour amendment in the name of my good friend Neil Bibby. Unfortunately, the amendment in the name of my other very good friend, Jenny Gilruth, is, I am afraid, devoid of hope and we cannot support it. She should speak to me next time, and I can send her some of my positivity, because that is what the islanders of Scotland are looking out for, and it is not what they are getting.

I move,

That the Parliament believes that the way the Scottish Government has been running ferry services has been a scandal; calls on the Scottish Government to say why it awarded the contract for ferries 801 and 802 to Ferguson Marine Engineering Limited against the advice of its own experts; is concerned about why 15 stage payments were agreed for each ferry; notes concerns that the deal may have broken EU state aid rules; further notes concerns that the lack of documentary evidence to explain the contract award could be in breach of the law; is disappointed that the Scottish Government failed to listen to the experienced workforce who had concerns about the management of the yard; believes that the yard could have survived without the orders for vessels 801 and 802; agrees with the view of the majority of people in Scotland who think that the Scottish National Party administration has done a bad job of running ferries; is concerned that this will contribute to island depopulation, and calls on the Scottish Government to spell out how it plans to run and procure ferry services in the future.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-04319, in the name of Graham Simpson, on ferry problems. I invite members who wish to speak to press thei...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
We wanted to call this debate “Ferries Fiasco”, but parliamentary staff told us that we could not. The debate might not be called “Ferries Fiasco” in the Bus...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Economy (Kate Forbes) SNP
Does the member know of any business that would exist without work being given to it?
Graham Simpson Con
The yard had work—that is a fact. I believe, and Jim McColl believes, that the yard could have continued. We can be pretty certain that the yard will not tak...
The Minister for Business, Trade, Tourism and Enterprise (Ivan McKee) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Graham Simpson Con
I will take an intervention from Mr McKee because he never gives us any answers to questions.
Ivan McKee SNP
Indeed I do, as the member knows fine well. If he is so sure that there was work in the yard, will he please specify what that work was?
Graham Simpson Con
There was work at the yard.
Kate Forbes SNP
What was it?
Graham Simpson Con
There was work at the yard. It had work and it could have taken on more work. Presiding Officer, the debate has moved on a little since we last discussed th...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Graham Simpson Con
I will not take any more interventions. It is little wonder that the good people of Arran elected a Conservative councillor—Timothy Billings—last week. Isla...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call the minister, Jenny Gilruth, to speak to and move amendment S6M-04391.2. You have up to six minutes, minister. 14:57
The Minister for Transport (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
Talking to that positivity that Mr Simpson was seeking, I have some good news to share with Parliament. Indeed, I have that good news literally here in my ha...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I would like to make some progress. We said that we would continue to look in good faith, and that is exactly what we have done. The document was found bec...
Graham Simpson Con
Will the minister give way?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I would like to make some progress. The e-mail destroys the Opposition’s ridiculous conspiracy theory that another minister made the decision, and it dest...
Graham Simpson Con
The e-mail that has just been read out does not say why the decision was taken, why the advice not to award the contract was ignored and whether there were d...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
The information that pertains to the decision to award the contract, which Mr Simpson is searching for, has already been published. He has received answers t...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the fact that we are now turning to the subject of ferries and away from the conspiracy theories that we have listened to for the last few minutes ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me, Dr Allan, please resume your seat. Dr Allan is trying to make an intervention and there is too much noise; please let Dr Allan make his intervention.
Alasdair Allan SNP
The minister will be aware that this is not the first time that Lochboisdale has been without a service, and I know from conversations that I have had with h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me, Dr Allan. Interventions should be brief. The minister probably gets the gist and can respond.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I became aware of the issues surrounding the MV Lord of the Isles vessel earlier today. I will meet with CalMac tonight; I believe that representatives of Ca...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Neil Bibby to speak to and move amendment S6M-4319.1. 15:04
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the debate that Graham Simpson has brought forward today. Today, Scottish Labour is making a further call for full openness and transparency to g...
Kate Forbes SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Neil Bibby Lab
Let me make some progress, please. If that had happened, one of the biggest failures in public procurement in the past 20 years could have been avoided. Th...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I had not seen it before today.