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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 29 March 2022

29 Mar 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Perinatal Mental Health
Hoy, Craig Con South Scotland Watch on SPTV

I am pleased to take part in this debate on perinatal mental health and I thank the committee for its report. I am told that having a baby can be the happiest period in someone’s life, but it can also be the most difficult. As those with lived experience know, mental health issues can come from anywhere during pregnancy. The impact can be serious on expectant mothers and those who have given birth.

Mothers who are pregnant or who have recently given birth can develop feelings of sadness and depression. Mothers can feel guilty and confused. Many mothers hope to feel the glow of pregnancy; they expect to look back fondly on that period of their life. Sadly, as Natalie Don said, that could not be further from the truth for many women and for the partners and families who support them.

In Scotland, perinatal mental health problems affect up to one in five new and expectant mothers. As we have heard, that covers a range of conditions, including mood disorders, depression, anxiety and psychosis. We know that, if they are left untreated, perinatal mental health issues can have long-lasting effects on women, which can impact their relationships with their baby and other family members. The impact can extend to a child’s cognitive and emotional development. In the very worst and most tragic cases, mental illness can lead to maternal suicide.

The Scottish Conservatives welcome the committee’s report and urge the Government to take forward its recommendations to address what the committee rightly identifies as fundamental gaps. The report makes 55 recommendations on subjects that include access to mother and baby units and workforce recruitment and retention. It covers birth trauma, baby loss units, stigma and, of course, the impact of inequalities. It is impossible to address all the recommendations today, but the report is fundamentally about looking at how the Government can work across settings to improve patient pathways.

Many women who suffer mental health problems following childbirth are scared to come forward. They fear that they will be judged or that their baby will be taken away. Removing stigma and ensuring that services are inclusive are vital steps that can have a huge preventative impact. It is crucial to educate professionals on the right questions to ask, so that they avoid inappropriate treatments and potential misunderstandings in the system. I therefore encourage the Scottish Government to bring forward its delayed raising awareness strategy as soon as possible.

I am concerned that the report highlights again systemic and endemic issues in recruitment and retention. When we talk of problems in our NHS, that is the dead end that—sadly—we repeatedly come to. Ministers must act now to break the roadblock and to boost training about and understanding of mental health in midwifery.

In its briefing, the Royal College of Midwives Scotland agrees with the committee that an

“appropriately trained and supported workforce”

is vital to delivering the care that women need. As the committee notes in its recommendations, it is not simply a matter of training and supporting existing staff; we also need to ensure that there are more staff—and, by that logic, fewer vacancies—in the system.

The RCM supports the recommendation that perinatal mental health training should be incorporated into training for all midwifery students. Staff also need to be empowered to engage in continuing professional development and to be able to do so with no negative impact on the delivery of patient care.

The pandemic has had a profound impact on all our lives, and it has pushed a lot of mental health services and support to an online environment. As Gillian Martin rightly identified, Covid has led to negative experiences. We know that the reduction in face-to-face contact has negatively impacted the mental health of expecting and new mothers. Not everyone is able to access online resources, and a lack of infrastructure and capacity can prevent some mothers from connecting digitally.

The committee heard evidence that some individuals have been unable to access GP appointments. That is why the Scottish Government must take urgent action to ensure that alternative routes are available for referrals into perinatal mental health services. I welcome the fact that the minister says that he is in listening mode, but on this, as on so much else, I hope that he can get into action mode quickly.

I understand that the issues are complex, but one statistic stands out: under the SNP, women are waiting more than the maximum of six weeks from referral to access services. Mothers who are seeking support can often encounter a postcode lottery, with inconsistencies in the accessibility of mother and baby units across different NHS board areas, as we heard.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a Health, Social Care and Sport Committee debate on perinatal mental health. I ask members who wish to speak in the debate to pr...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
As convener of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, I am pleased to open the debate and to speak about the committee’s inquiry into perinatal mental ...
The Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care (Kevin Stewart) SNP
I am pleased to respond to the debate on behalf of the Scottish Government. I thank the convener and members of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Sandesh Gulhane joins us remotely. 14:44
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a practising national health service doctor. Perinatal mental health problems can include mood disorders, depression, anxiety and e...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open for Scottish Labour and to welcome the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee’s report into perinatal mental health, which is an overlo...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I commend the committee on its work on this vital issue, and I am pleased to rise for my party to speak in the debate. Scottish Liberal Democrats were proud ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Natalie Don joins us remotely. 15:01
Natalie Don (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP) SNP
I was very pleased to see the committee undertaking the inquiry and I am thankful to be included in the debate. This is a matter that is very important to me...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
Thank you, Ms Don. I apologise for not telling your cat that there should be no interventions or interruptions during your speech. 15:05
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to take part in this debate on perinatal mental health and I thank the committee for its report. I am told that having a baby can be the happies...
Kevin Stewart SNP
The 2019 report “Delivering Effective Services”, which Ms Mochan mentioned in her speech, highlighted some of the issues that had to be tackled. In the three...
Craig Hoy Con
I welcome progress; it is the speed of the progress that I question. I accept that the minister announced today that there will be a mother and baby unit for...
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
I thank Gillian Martin and others for their contributions so far, but my biggest thanks must go to the women who shared personal stories with committee membe...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is a pleasure to follow Stephanie Callaghan, particularly given that she highlighted families of different shapes and sizes. To her list, I add mothers fr...
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in the debate and I commend the work of the committee in considering perinatal mental health in Scotland. I thank the Royal College...
Kevin Stewart SNP
I want to clarify something that Mr Hoy said in his speech about a new mother and baby unit in Aberdeen. What he suggested is not what I said in my speech. I...
Audrey Nicoll SNP
I welcome that clarification. Like the minister, I am absolutely delighted to hear that, literally as we hold the debate, the NHS Grampian community perinata...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I, too, thank the people who gave evidence to the committee and everyone who is working to improve perinatal mental healthcare in Scotland. During evidence ...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As a member of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and as a registered nurse, I welcome the opportunity to speak in this important debate. I thank e...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the closing speeches. 15:35
Carol Mochan Lab
In closing for Scottish Labour, I again welcome the report by the Scottish Parliament’s Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I thank Gillian Martin for o...
Kevin Stewart SNP
We are in action mode, driven by the programme board. I highlighted some of that to Mr Hoy earlier. I ask Ms Mochan and others in the chamber to encourage fo...
Carol Mochan Lab
The minister is right that we should all encourage people to participate. I assure him that I will look out for all the actions that he takes—he should not w...
Emma Harper SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Carol Mochan Lab
I want to make progress, please. Scottish Labour’s view is that the mental health and wellbeing of our population should be of paramount importance. If the ...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
This short inquiry was of great personal significance to me, and it was a pleasure to take part in it. In particular, I am grateful that our inquiry accounte...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
Does the member agree that it is often the third sector that provides support for people who have lost a child or who have had a child but are having some ki...
Sue Webber Con
That is very much the evidence that we heard loud and clear. The nimbleness of the third sector provides such a lifeline to those people. As the committee t...
The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
It is vital to promote and raise awareness of perinatal and infant mental health. Without access to the appropriate support, treatment and guidance, challeng...