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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 23 March 2022

23 Mar 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ferries

No.

There was then the £45 million loan to FMEL; we do not know what good that did. As things went belly up, the Government decided to nationalise the yard, but it had absolutely no idea what the condition of the boats was when it did so, so it could not have predicted how costs would rise.

Despite advice from PWC, there was no exit strategy—a bit like the situation with Prestwick airport. That is scandalous. Throughout the process, the various parties have been squabbling like children, unable to get on. There have been a string of disasters, with the latest being the discovery that the cables that were fitted on the vessel that was launched with blacked-out windows by Nicola Sturgeon in 2017 are now too short.

No one has accepted blame for that, or for anything in this fiasco. Ministers and others—including the highly paid and mistitled turnaround director—have moved on, but nobody’s head has rolled. That is the problem. There is no accountability—none—not just in Ferguson’s, but in the entire ferry system and especially in Government. To get to the bottom of that, we need a public inquiry.

There is a telling sentence in the Audit Scotland report, which states:

“The two new vessels, and subsequent additions and disposals, were expected to reduce the average age of CMAL’s major vessel fleet from 21 years ... to 12 years by 2025.”

How are we doing on that? The average age of the CalMac Ferries Ltd fleet is 23 years. The situation has got worse, and nobody’s head has rolled. We need new ferries, and we need to increase the budget for that in order to catch up. Graeme Dey reckoned that it would take £1.5 billion over 10 years; we are saying that it requires £1.4 billion. That would create a pipeline of work that could herald a boost for Scottish shipbuilding.

This is not some obscure topic. Having an ageing and unreliable ferry fleet affects people’s lives. This week, I have been speaking to island campaigners on Arran, Mull and Iona. A psychotherapist told me that he is dealing with increasing numbers of stressed-out patients. Other people have said that they have not been able to get to hospital appointments, because they cannot book a car space less than a few weeks in advance. The situation is also affecting tourism.

I have heard of bare shelves in shops, and I have seen the photographic evidence. Farmers cannot get feed and cannot get their animals to market. It goes on. Kids cannot get to school. People are thinking of giving up island life altogether—under the SNP.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-03712, in the name of Graham Simpson, on Scotland’s ferries. 15:25
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
When the then Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee published its report on the construction and procurement of ferries in Scotland in December 2020, it c...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Did the Conservative Party oppose the awarding of that contract to Ferguson Marine at the time?
Graham Simpson Con
I say to Mr Gibson that ministers should listen to the experts. Perhaps if they had listened, we would not be in this mess, and we would not now be ordering ...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
Will Graham Simpson take an intervention on that point?
Graham Simpson Con
No. There was then the £45 million loan to FMEL; we do not know what good that did. As things went belly up, the Government decided to nationalise the yard,...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Does Graham Simpson believe that the issue could be contributing to island depopulation?
Graham Simpson Con
I just said that. People are now thinking of giving up island life altogether. That is tragic. I will end with a personal testimony from a lady on an island...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Jenny Gilruth to speak to and move amendment S6M-03712.2. 15:36
The Minister for Transport (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I thank Graham Simpson for securing this important debate on Scotland’s ferries, which is timely, given the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Economy’s s...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
When will the “Project Neptune” report be released?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I will come to that shortly. I have already given Mr Simpson an assurance that it will be published in due course. Although I note the undeniable challenges...
Dr Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
I appreciate the tone of much of what the minister has said about accepting the need for more responsiveness on the part of CalMac and CMAL. Does she agree t...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I recognise Dr Allan’s interest in the matter, given his constituency. I am broadly sympathetic to his suggestion, but I do not want to make a decision on it...
Graham Simpson Con
Will the minister give way?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I want to make progress, but I will give way to Mr Simpson.
Graham Simpson Con
I am grateful. Does the minister recognise concerns that £580 million is nowhere near enough and that the budget needs to be at least doubled?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I recognise what Mr Simpson argues for. I also note that the Conservatives voted against the Scottish Government budget, which increased funding for our ferr...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I want to make progress, if Mr Bibby would allow me to do so. The investment will enable delivery of improved infrastructure, including three ports on the S...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I want to make progress. The purchase of the additional vessel secures an island-focused year-round timetable, as was requested by the Mull community. It al...
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
Will the minister take an intervention on that point?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I would like to make progress. Since 2007, our investment in ferry services has exceeded £2 billion, to provide new vessels and improved infrastructure and ...
Neil Bibby Lab
Will the minister take an intervention on that point?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I would like to make some progress. Discussions took place this morning with stakeholders from both networks. I again wish to provide the Opposition with an...
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
Will the minister give way?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am aware of the time—I think that I have 10 seconds left. That discussion could better ensure a collaborative approach, going forward. I assured Mr Kerr ...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
At the outset, I welcome the Scottish Government’s reference in its amendment to the situation at P&O Ferries. Labour MSPs, whether here in Parliament to...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
The ferries fiasco is a national embarrassment of the SNP’s making. The ferries are four years late and after today will be five years late, at two and a hal...