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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 16 March 2022

16 Mar 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Dog Theft
Regan, Ash SNP Edinburgh Eastern Watch on SPTV

I agree that there are always ways in which we could improve the data to which we have access. I take that point.

Police Scotland has indicated that, while it does not as yet have statistics for 2021-22, its impression is that levels of dog theft have since fallen and have returned to what they were previously.

It is estimated that there are at least 600,000 dogs in Scotland. In that context, the scale of theft is low, although the theft of a loved family pet is undoubtedly a traumatic experience. As members have noted, dogs are not objects. When they are stolen, that can cause considerable upset. When a person’s pet is lost or stolen, monetary value will be the last thing on their mind. Posters have been put up by people who have lost their pet dog or cat offering rewards for their return that are many times higher than the pet’s monetary value because of the value that the pet has to them.

I am aware of Maurice Golden’s view that the best way for the justice system to address the harm that is posed by the theft of pets is to create a specific statutory offence. My understanding is that the member considers that that would recognise that the theft of a dog can have a serious effect on its owner. I agree that it is important for the criminal justice system to be able to deal effectively with perpetrators of dog theft. As members will know, and as discussed in the debate, theft is a common law offence in Scotland. The maximum penalty that can be imposed is limited only by the sentencing powers of the court in which the offender is being sentenced. I have heard concerns that when an offender is sentenced for theft, the court will be concerned with only the value of the item that has been stolen. However, I do not think that that is the case. Courts are well used to taking into account the facts and circumstances of each case. When sentencing a person for the theft of a dog or other pet, a court would take into account the fact that the offender had stolen a beloved family pet and the impact that that would have had.

Of course, we will consider carefully any bill that is lodged that proposes a specific dog theft offence. A key question is whether that would bring greater transparency to how the justice system responds to those kinds of offences and whether it would provide reassurance to victims that the impact that those crimes have had has been taken into account when perpetrators are sentenced.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-02745, in the name of Maurice Golden, on tackling dog theft. The debate will be conclu...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank members on all sides of the chamber for supporting the motion. Dog theft is a serious and growing problem. It is estimated that in 2020, almost 200 ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I thank Maurice Golden for securing the debate, which I welcome. I acknowledge that the theft of dogs is on the rise, although we know that actual figures—fo...
Maurice Golden Con
To clarify the point on sentencing guidelines, I will be consulting on the length of term. Having discussed that with dog charities, we think that five years...
Christine Grahame SNP
Indeed—there is a role for the Scottish Sentencing Council. The motion refers to the impact on owners, which, we can infer, should have an impact on sentenc...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
It has been a year, almost to the day, since I adopted my dog Astro. He is a rescue dog from Romania. Yes, I have heard the joke many times that he has a Eur...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Maurice Golden for lodging his motion for debate, and for raising the important issue of whether we need a new criminal offence of dog theft. As we ...
Christine Grahame SNP
I do not know whether the member is aware that one of the horrors that are associated with microchipping is that, often, the criminals will remove the microc...
Colin Smyth Lab
That is an important point, and highlights why taking pet theft seriously is important: some of these criminals, frankly, care very little about the animals ...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Maurice Golden on securing the debate and bringing this important matter to the chamber. I share his concern about the rapid increase in dog t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Finlay Carson, who has up to four minutes. 17:52
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I thank my colleague Maurice Golden for bringing to the chamber this important debate on tackling dog theft. Sadly, hardly a week passes without a story appe...
Maurice Golden Con
I clarify that, although I will be consulting on the inclusion of cats and other companion animals, my focus is on ensuring that the member’s bill is sound a...
Finlay Carson Con
I absolutely take that on board and I sympathise with the member for having a small office in Broughty Ferry. My priority, too, is for the bill to protect do...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Carson, could you please conclude? You are at about five minutes now.
Finlay Carson Con
I will, Presiding Officer. Finally, I go back to Colin Smyth’s discussion of microchipping, which is really important for cats, too. I am sure that the issu...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I will make a short contribution to support my colleague and friend Maurice Golden in his attempt to bring forward this piece of legislation, the shape of wh...
Jamie Greene Con
Does Stephen Kerr want one?
Stephen Kerr Con
Having listened to Jamie Greene’s speech, I am not sure that I want that particular dog. Each of those west Highland terriers had its own personality. In fa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Ash Regan to respond to the debate. 18:02
The Minister for Community Safety (Ash Regan) SNP
I thank Maurice Golden for securing this evening’s debate on the important subject of dog theft. We are a nation of dog lovers. As the stories that many memb...
Maurice Golden Con
Does the minister accept that dog theft is not recorded in a consistent way by the police across Scotland, that it is sometimes not even recorded as dog thef...
Ash Regan SNP
I agree that there are always ways in which we could improve the data to which we have access. I take that point. Police Scotland has indicated that, whil...
Jamie Greene Con
It is not just the level of the sentence. One of the key benefits of having specific offences is the message that it sends to criminals that there is a high ...
Ash Regan SNP
I have set out the context, and I am not sure that it is right to characterise the situation as a rise in cases, because we think that dog theft has returned...