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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 16 March 2022

16 Mar 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Dog Theft

It has been a year, almost to the day, since I adopted my dog Astro. He is a rescue dog from Romania. Yes, I have heard the joke many times that he has a European passport while I do not. I went almost 40 years in life without him, and I now cannot imagine my life without him at all. I know he is watching the debate online from home—as we so often say in members’ business debates.

The wildlife photographer Roger Caras once said:

“Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole.”

I disagree: I think that dogs are your whole life, and anyone who has a dog will know that.

In its briefing, the Dogs Trust told us that having a dog improves our wellbeing and reduces stress. It has clearly never met my dog.

If we look at the legislative environment that currently surrounds dog safety and security in Scotland, we might not necessarily believe that we are a nation of dog lovers, and that is the point of today’s debate. The theft of dogs has been relentlessly highlighted by my colleague Maurice Golden, not just over the past weeks and months but over years, because it is not the same as having your phone, wallet or watch stolen.

Dog theft is widespread now. There was a 170 per cent increase in it during the pandemic, according to some. That is hardly surprising, given the fact that the price of some breeds has more than doubled.

When I was looking for a dog, I went to a rescue charity, mostly out of a sense of frustration at the prices being sought by many breeders, and the unscrupulous way in which some of the dogs are being bred and sold. My dog is not a gold watch and its value is not in its value or its breed. I felt much better giving my money to a charity and rescuing a pup that would otherwise have been on the street.

On that note, I give huge credit to the charity Paws2Rescue, which is one of the great charities that work in this space, and thank Ricky Gervais, who is its patron.

In the area that I represent, there have been some high-profile reports of dog theft and the effect that it has on the victims. At a breeding farm in Galston, there was the loss of four puppies, and we all read about the tragic case of a young couple whose dog was stolen from their garden in Kilbirnie. My heart really goes out to them; I cannot imagine what it would feel like. I once had an episode when Astro ran out of the front door when I was taking the bins out and went straight into the road in front of oncoming traffic—my heart literally stopped for about eight seconds. For that instant, I thought about how I would feel if I lost my dog. I cannot imagine what it would feel like to know that someone had come into your home or your garden and taken your dog away.

I do not think that our justice system adequately serves as a deterrent to dog theft, because 5 per cent of dog thefts result in someone being charged, and just 1 per cent lead to prosecution. If that was any other field, we would be in uproar.

I should not forget cats, by the way. I have nothing against cats. Any legislation could look at pets in the round.

We should take steps to deter those who steal our furry friends. It is a massive business. We know that the third most profitable illegal trade after narcotics and weapons is in pets. Serious organised criminal gangs and syndicates have given up trading in drugs because of the risks involved, and they have switched to illegal dog trading. They have gone from cocaine and meth labs to canines and pet labs. That is the sad reality of where we are.

To its credit, the Scottish Government introduced microchipping back in 2016. That was the right thing to do. Christine Grahame and other dog and pet lovers have spoken about legislating further in this area, as has the Dogs Trust, which I commend hugely. Its pawlitical asks—see what I did there?—are worthy campaigns, many of which I support and should be looked on favourably.

We can and must do more. All I would ask Government is, if it cannot support the proposed dog theft bill specifically, what else can we do to change sentencing guidelines or to take into account the emotional effect that a very specific type of theft has on the people whose animals are taken from them? I have confidence that all those unanswered questions can be answered. I know that we can do it.

17:43  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-02745, in the name of Maurice Golden, on tackling dog theft. The debate will be conclu...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank members on all sides of the chamber for supporting the motion. Dog theft is a serious and growing problem. It is estimated that in 2020, almost 200 ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I thank Maurice Golden for securing the debate, which I welcome. I acknowledge that the theft of dogs is on the rise, although we know that actual figures—fo...
Maurice Golden Con
To clarify the point on sentencing guidelines, I will be consulting on the length of term. Having discussed that with dog charities, we think that five years...
Christine Grahame SNP
Indeed—there is a role for the Scottish Sentencing Council. The motion refers to the impact on owners, which, we can infer, should have an impact on sentenc...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
It has been a year, almost to the day, since I adopted my dog Astro. He is a rescue dog from Romania. Yes, I have heard the joke many times that he has a Eur...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Maurice Golden for lodging his motion for debate, and for raising the important issue of whether we need a new criminal offence of dog theft. As we ...
Christine Grahame SNP
I do not know whether the member is aware that one of the horrors that are associated with microchipping is that, often, the criminals will remove the microc...
Colin Smyth Lab
That is an important point, and highlights why taking pet theft seriously is important: some of these criminals, frankly, care very little about the animals ...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Maurice Golden on securing the debate and bringing this important matter to the chamber. I share his concern about the rapid increase in dog t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Finlay Carson, who has up to four minutes. 17:52
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I thank my colleague Maurice Golden for bringing to the chamber this important debate on tackling dog theft. Sadly, hardly a week passes without a story appe...
Maurice Golden Con
I clarify that, although I will be consulting on the inclusion of cats and other companion animals, my focus is on ensuring that the member’s bill is sound a...
Finlay Carson Con
I absolutely take that on board and I sympathise with the member for having a small office in Broughty Ferry. My priority, too, is for the bill to protect do...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Carson, could you please conclude? You are at about five minutes now.
Finlay Carson Con
I will, Presiding Officer. Finally, I go back to Colin Smyth’s discussion of microchipping, which is really important for cats, too. I am sure that the issu...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I will make a short contribution to support my colleague and friend Maurice Golden in his attempt to bring forward this piece of legislation, the shape of wh...
Jamie Greene Con
Does Stephen Kerr want one?
Stephen Kerr Con
Having listened to Jamie Greene’s speech, I am not sure that I want that particular dog. Each of those west Highland terriers had its own personality. In fa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Ash Regan to respond to the debate. 18:02
The Minister for Community Safety (Ash Regan) SNP
I thank Maurice Golden for securing this evening’s debate on the important subject of dog theft. We are a nation of dog lovers. As the stories that many memb...
Maurice Golden Con
Does the minister accept that dog theft is not recorded in a consistent way by the police across Scotland, that it is sometimes not even recorded as dog thef...
Ash Regan SNP
I agree that there are always ways in which we could improve the data to which we have access. I take that point. Police Scotland has indicated that, whil...
Jamie Greene Con
It is not just the level of the sentence. One of the key benefits of having specific offences is the message that it sends to criminals that there is a high ...
Ash Regan SNP
I have set out the context, and I am not sure that it is right to characterise the situation as a rise in cases, because we think that dog theft has returned...