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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 09 February 2022

09 Feb 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Fraser, Murdo Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am a member of the Law Society of Scotland.

This is the final point in the legislative process for what has been an uncontroversial—at least, so far—if important piece of legislation. Like others, I put on record my thanks to all those who assisted in the legislative process, particularly the clerks and advisers to the COVID-19 Recovery Committee, all those who gave evidence to the committee in relation to our scrutiny of the bill, and the Scottish Government for its co-operation in relation to the way that the bill was handled at stage 2.

As we have heard, the bill is necessary because without it there will be a substantial burden on the public purse. Under the Public Health etc (Scotland) Act 2008, there is a duty on health boards to provide compensation to any person who has been quarantined because of an infectious disease. A global pandemic such as Covid-19 was not in anticipation when that law was passed, and given the large numbers who have had to self-isolate following Covid infection, there would be a substantial financial burden if the measures in the 2008 act continued to apply. The bill before us is estimated to save £380 million in the financial year 2021-22, and it is therefore important to protecting national health service resources.

In the stage 1 debate a few weeks ago, I outlined some of the evidence that the COVID-19 Recovery Committee heard on access to the self-isolation support grant. There were concerns that there was not enough publicity around how the grant could be accessed, and there was concern among some applicants that their benefits might be affected if they were to apply for it. In her speech, Jackie Baillie referenced other issues about people facing substantial delays in accessing the sums that are required. Those are on-going issues, but we hope that, with the incidence of Covid swiftly reducing and, with it, the need for self-isolation, there will be less demand for the support grant in future months and those issues will no longer be so prevalent.

Jackie Baillie introduced a reasoned amendment to the motion, proposing that the sums paid should match the national living wage of £9.50. I have some sympathy for the position that she outlined; I think that she made a reasonable case. I am concerned, however, about the timing of the introduction of the measure—in the final debate on the bill. Jackie Baillie should have raised the issue in the stage 1 debate, or she could have lodged an amendment at stage 2. She did neither, and I am curious as to why. No doubt she will explain why she has left it until the very last moment to raise this important topic.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-03080, in the name of John Swinney, on the Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (S...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery (John Swinney) SNP
I am pleased to open the final debate on the Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Bill. I am grateful to members of Parlia...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I place on record my thanks to the COVID-19 Recovery Committee, those who gave evidence, the bill team and the Deputy First Minister for getting us to this s...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Could the member explain the figure referred to in her amendment? The £500 would be 50 hours at £10 an hour.
Jackie Baillie Lab
If Mr Mason will let me develop the point, he will see where we got the calculations from. Scottish Labour’s reasoned amendment is a recognition that the fi...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am a member of the Law Society of Scotland. This is the final point ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I am sure that the member would agree that, as the cost of living crisis is laid bare, it is absolutely right for us to consider and keep under review the am...
Murdo Fraser Con
I hear what Jackie Baillie says. Of course, she could have introduced an amendment at stage 3 to implement the change, instead of lodging a reasoned amendmen...
John Mason SNP
I was doing some calculations on a bit of paper myself. I reckon that, if someone was self-isolating for 10 days, with two days for a weekend, they would oth...
Murdo Fraser Con
Mr Mason is, of course, an accountant. I bow to his mastery of the figures at such short notice. I am sure that Ms Baillie will have the chance to respond to...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
We move to the open debate. 16:09
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak, Presiding Officer. I fear that there will be a bit of repetition from the stage 1 debate, given that little...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am a practising NHS general practitioner. The past two year...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Since March 2020, many have made sacrifices in exchange for the protection of our national health service and our fellow citizens. Taking action such as self...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
As has been noted by others, the Public Health etc (Scotland) Act 2008 was written long before the Covid pandemic and was not intended to meet the challenges...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Gillian Mackay said that it was appropriate, given the cost of living crisis, to regularly review the amount paid. Does that mean that she will be supporting...
Gillian Mackay Green
I thought that that would be Jackie Baillie’s question. Yes, I will be supporting the amendment. Alongside ensuring that adequate support is available, we m...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Siobhian Brown, who is the last speaker in the open debate. 16:24
Siobhian Brown (Ayr) (SNP) SNP
As convener of the COVID-19 Recovery Committee, I thank my fellow committee members and our highly professional clerking team for their work as we considered...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
In closing the debate for Scottish Labour, and in expressing our support for the principles and intentions of the bill, I encourage Parliament to support Sco...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am happy to close the stage 3 debate on the Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Bill on behalf of the Scottish Conservat...
John Swinney SNP
Hear, hear.
Brian Whittle Con
Thank you. That was a welcome intervention from the cabinet secretary. I put on record my thanks to all those who have helped with the process, particularly...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I am sure that the member recognises that that is entirely in the gift of the Presiding Officer. I am sure that he does not intend to challenge her ruling. W...
Brian Whittle Con
We are a very reasoned party, as Jackie Baillie is well aware. Of course, I would never criticise the Presiding Officer—I would never do that. However, I sug...
John Swinney SNP
I am delighted to have the opportunity to close the debate. I will address the one and only discordant issue first, before I get on to my usual generous way ...
Brian Whittle Con
In a reasonable way, I gently suggest to the cabinet secretary that the issue that we have with the upcoming legislation is the fact that, as we exit the oth...
John Swinney SNP
That is an issue that we will have to chew over in the bill process—whether we should have a statute book that can deal with emergencies. The Conservatives c...
The Presiding Officer NPA
That concludes the debate.