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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 01 March 2022

01 Mar 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Veterans (Mental Health and Wellbeing)
Grahame, Christine SNP Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale Watch on SPTV

I thought that I had changed identity for a moment, Presiding Officer.

It is a bitter irony that, as we debate the issue, men and women on both sides in Ukraine are dying and being injured in a conflict that is entirely manufactured. It is an invasion of a sovereign, independent nation in Europe by a bellicose and expansionist regime that is led by a paranoid megalomaniac, Vladimir Putin.

In my lifetime, we have sent troops to the Falklands, to Iraq twice and to Afghanistan. Each war is horrendous and destructive for generations. Today, with mobile phones providing instant, local reporting, we are there with the people and soldiers who are risking life and limb. It reminds us—if we needed reminding—of the cost of conflict.

Representing Penicuik, with the Glencorse barracks nearby, and the Borders, which has centuries of tradition of army service, I have long held an interest not only in where we send forces into conflict and why, but what happens on their return.

In my time in the Parliament since 1999, the MOD has gradually recognised its duty of care to troops not only on the front line but on their return and for years afterwards. That is perhaps exemplified most by the armed forces covenant—a statement of the moral obligation that exists between the UK, the UK Government and the armed forces. It was published in May 2011, and its core principles were enshrined in law for the first time in the Armed Forces Act 2011. I quote:

“we acknowledge and understand that those who serve or who have served in the armed forces, and their families, should be treated with fairness and respect in the communities, economy and society they serve with their lives.”

The 38 recommendations of the “Mental Health and Wellbeing Action Plan” for veterans are based on three key principles, but I will focus on one:

“Veterans will have equal access to mental health and wellbeing services, regardless of where they live”—

I note the reference to the postcode lottery in previous times. That access should focus

“on keeping veterans and their families well by providing support for the wider determinants of mental well health and wellbeing”,

with services provided

“as close to home as possible”.

In 2014, the Scottish Government appointed a Scottish veterans commissioner—as colleagues have said, the current commissioner is Charles Wallace, who had 35 years of Army service—to act as an ambassador for improvements in supporting veterans. Wales is announcing a commissioner this year. I am not aware of England announcing one, but I recommend that it does.

The Scottish veterans fund was initiated in 2008-09 and has received £1.7 million for more than 180 projects. Last year, the Scottish Government committed to increase the annual fund to £500,000 from 2022-23.

I will focus on the veterans employability strategic group, which has membership from the private sector for the first time. The Scottish Government is launching a public awareness campaign about it because, as the cabinet secretary said, health, a happy home, employment and helping families are interlinked.

I accept that many veterans return to civvies without any issues, but there are stresses in doing so. It is difficult to fit in with employment demands, although veterans’ skills are often transferable. The mental health transition and recovery plan, which was published in October 2020, had a specific commitment to identify

“prevention opportunities in relation to veterans at risk of suicide”,

which other speakers have referred to.

Locally, we have the veterans centre in Dalkeith, which serves my constituents in Midlothian south. It is located in the heart of Dalkeith town centre and is primarily designed as a drop-in centre, with no appointments being necessary—at least, that was the case pre-Covid. The aim is to advise and support former members of the armed forces, reservists and their families throughout Edinburgh and the Lothians through any disadvantage that they have post service. It has a small team of dedicated staff, who are readily available to tackle any challenges that present, however minor or complex. I understand that the centre has bacon roll mornings every Friday—I fancy going to one of those. They are extremely popular, with a great atmosphere, and are, naturally, well attended.

There is also the Veterans First Point in Galashiels, and I note that the cabinet secretary announced further funding for Veterans First Point initiatives. Veterans First Point provides support and advice for ex-forces personnel, their families and carers. The team includes veterans as peer support workers, as well as clinicians and therapists, who listen and help.

For years, we have been aware that, due to the disconnect when they leave the forces, and perhaps their experience of conflict, some veterans go into a downward spiral, with relationship break-ups, addictions, homelessness and even criminality.

We have not always treated our veterans well, even when they were still serving in the armed forces. In Iraq, from 2003 to 2008, they had poor equipment, the wrong shoes and the wrong vehicles. Sadly, it is also the case that, following the 1990-91 Gulf war, veterans had to fight for recognition of Gulf war syndrome. As my colleague Graeme Dey said, post-traumatic stress disorder manifests itself in many ways and over a long period of time.

Finally, I say this: we politicians—although perhaps not those in this chamber—are the people who send our armed forces into conflicts, mainly because we have failed. Therefore, we have a huge to duty to them once they have been discharged, whatever condition they are in when they are discharged.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-03381, in the name of Keith Brown, on a Scottish approach to the mental health and wellbeing of our veter...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP
I am delighted to open the debate, as we emerge from the pandemic. The mental health of the whole population is a fundamental consideration for the Scottish ...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
In the motion, the cabinet secretary mentions veterans and their families. Will he, in his speech, talk about the support that is aimed at veterans’ families...
Keith Brown SNP
I will. Martin Whitfield will find references to families throughout my speech. I am sure that the minister, too, will mention families, when he speaks. The...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can inform the chamber that the time that we had available across the afternoon was exhausted earlier, so I will have to ask members to stick to their time...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the minister for his opening remarks. I am very pleased to open the debate on behalf of my party. The Scottish Conservatives believe that veterans mu...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I begin by sharing the sentiments from across the chamber of solidarity with the people of Ukraine, who are showing such immense bravery in the face of conti...
Martin Whitfield Lab
When we talk about the community, we are talking about not just the veterans but their families. One challenge with using the census data is that additional ...
Paul Sweeney Lab
My friend raises an extremely important point about data interdependencies. That metadata will be critical to building a network of understanding about depen...
Keith Brown SNP
I agree with the member’s point, but will he recognise that we have tried for years to get information on veterans in Scotland from the United Kingdom Govern...
Paul Sweeney Lab
I recognise that complaint, and it is certainly one that I made frequently when I was a member in the House of Commons. I accept that we have made a breakthr...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I apologise to members, as I will have to leave the debate early. I am privileged to speak for my party in this important debate, and I am grateful to the c...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
I very much welcome the scheduling of the debate, both because of the importance of the subject matter and because it represents a potential sea change in br...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
An estimated 5 million veterans live in the UK at present, and a further 20,000 personnel leave the armed forces every year. When they leave, their healthcar...
Paul Sweeney Lab
Does the member agree that a particularly difficult cohort is those whose discharge is unplanned—for example, if they have failed a compulsory drugs test—and...
Finlay Carson Con
Absolutely. Our veterans can find themselves in different and unique situations. Those need to be addressed in a unique and proper way. The position that ma...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Paul O’Kane—I am sorry; I call Christine Grahame, to be followed by Paul O’Kane. 15:50
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I thought that I had changed identity for a moment, Presiding Officer. It is a bitter irony that, as we debate the issue, men and women on both sides in Ukr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Paul O’Kane, who joins us remotely. 15:57
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I associate myself with the comments of colleagues on the unfolding horrors in Ukraine. Once again, I offer my solidarity to the Ukrainian people. I thank K...
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests: I am a councillor on Aberdeen City Council. Last week, a family member WhatsApped me with...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
Like all members, the Scottish Conservatives want servicemen and servicewomen who choose to settle in Scotland on leaving our armed forces to know that they ...
Keith Brown SNP
Will Sue Webber give way?
Sue Webber Con
I will not. Thank you. That means that members of the armed forces will receive the same income, regardless of where they are domiciled in the UK. We calle...
Paul Sweeney Lab
Will Sue Webber give way?
Sue Webber Con
I will not at the moment, thanks. Invaluable work is done by non-government organisations. I pay tribute to the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen & Families Ass...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
One in 10 UK armed forces personnel was seen by military healthcare services for a mental health related reason in 2020-21. Although that represents a fall i...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Veterans, service personnel and their families contribute a huge amount to our society. I welcome the great strides that the Scottish Government has made tow...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is a great pleasure to speak in the debate, but it is right to echo the words about the situation in Ukraine, which brings so much of what we have talked ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Kenneth Gibson will be the last speaker in the open debate. 16:33