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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 01 February 2022

01 Feb 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
World Cancer Day 2022

As is customary, I start by thanking Jackie Baillie sincerely for bringing the matter to the Parliament and for facilitating such a good debate involving members from across the chamber. In particular, I thank members who have shared their personal stories. I am following a very powerful speech by Stephen Kerr and some excellent speeches from members across the chamber. I will touch on many of the questions that have been asked and the themes that have been raised.

I, too, will start with a personal anecdote. As many members have already said, one in two of us will be affected by cancer, and there is probably not a single person in the chamber who has not been affected in some way, shape or form by it. We know that a couple of our parliamentary colleagues have had, or are still having, recent challenges with a cancer diagnosis and are having, or have just completed, treatment. I am delighted that some of them are back with us in the chamber right now.

My story is about my uncle Azhar. He was the cool uncle—we all have one. That is no disrespect to any of my other uncles and aunties; I love them all, but even they would say that he was the cool uncle. He was the youngest of the siblings, and they are always the coolest—he says, as a middle child. In the eternal battle of children versus grown-ups, my uncle Azhar was always on the side of the children. It is always good to have an ally like him.

He was more than an uncle to me. He took me to my first Celtic match and taught me how to play football. Presiding Officer, you and I have been on the same football team, so I should say that the deficiencies in my playing are mine alone and are not the fault of my uncle. When he took me to the football, my mum would say, “He is not to have any more junk food, Azhar.” Of course, my uncle disregarded that instruction from my mum.

He also helped me to train for the half marathon—the only half marathon that I have ever run in my life—when I was raising money for Islamic Relief. He ran with me and helped to train me for the eight weeks prior to the run. When I crossed the finish line at Glasgow Green and keeled over through dehydration because I had not taken his advice and drunk enough water, he was the one who put the medal around my neck.

He was an extraordinarily fit individual and played every sport that you can imagine, so imagine my shock at the news. I was on a Government visit to Pakistan, in my role as Minister for External Affairs and International Development, when I got a phone call at two in the morning—a phone call at two in the morning is never good news—from my sister to tell me that my uncle, who had been complaining of stomach and back issues for a while, had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

I did not know much about pancreatic cancer—in fact, I knew nothing about it—so, of course, I did what anybody without a clinical background does and went on to Google. I will never forget the feeling as I doomscrolled down the page on my phone to find any semblance of good news about pancreatic cancer and found—I am afraid—that there was none. I remember that moment, and having to do Government visits the next day while being a hollow shell of myself.

My uncle battled with pancreatic cancer for two and a half years and eventually succumbed to it. Again, I will never forget that moment. In the Islamic tradition, it is often the children of the deceased who wash and prepare the body before it is laid in a coffin. I was asked to do that with my cousins, and I will never forget washing my uncle to prepare him, at just seven stones—a man who was a stocky 13 or 14 stones prior to his cancer diagnosis, but there he was, just skin and bones.

I mention that story because pancreatic cancer and less survivable cancers have been raised by many colleagues across the chamber. Dr Gulhane spoke very well from a clinical, and a human, perspective about the importance of early diagnosis of less survivable cancers. Marie McNair also mentioned pancreatic cancer in her speech.

I give a personal commitment and—perhaps more important—a commitment as the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care that we will move heaven and earth to ensure that we restore cancer services. That is important to me, and it is important to the Government. I suggest that there cannot be a more important priority for the Government or for me as health secretary than the recovery and remobilisation of our NHS. Right at the top of that priority pile must be the restoration—in fact, it is right to say the full restoration—of cancer services.

In relation to the less survivable cancers that have been mentioned by many colleagues across the chamber, it is important that the Government works with third sector organisations to raise awareness of the symptoms. I mentioned some of the symptoms that my uncle had when it came to pancreatic cancer. For many other less survivable cancers—as, I think, Jackie Baillie or one of her colleagues said—the symptoms can mean that it takes four or five visits to a GP to get a referral. Of course, by the time someone gets a referral, they can already be at stage 4, as my uncle was, so we must do more.

I hope that we can do so through the early cancer diagnostic centres that we have developed across the country. We look at the data from those centres daily. Jim Fairlie—who gave an excellent and powerful contribution, which I know that Andy would have been very proud of—said that he is looking forward to the centres being rolled out. I promise him that we are exploring that. We, of course, want to see the early data from the early cancer diagnostic centres.

We also have the national cancer plan. That document is backed by £114.5 million of investment and is not just to lie on a shelf.

The point about inequality was well made by every speaker. I will not repeat the statistics about the unacceptable care gap—which is, of course, the theme of world cancer day this Friday—because they have been well articulated in the debate. We are determined to not only narrow but close and eliminate that unacceptable inequality gap. Some of the money that we have already provided is being targeted directly at where inequality exists most obviously. I can give more details on that to any member who wishes them.

I am, of course, running over my time. There are lots of issues that I could talk about.

On screening, I am happy to have meetings with members about self-referral for over-70s. Our concern is that, if we were to resume such services at the moment, that would have a detrimental impact on people at the highest risk, because of our current capacity issues. However, the challenge from Miles Briggs and from other members across the chamber who raise the issue with me regularly is to get such services resumed as quickly as possible. I promise that there is no delay on our part.

Our workforce is incredibly important, but I am the first to admit that there are challenges among the workforce. Although we have made strides forward, I promise that we will redouble our efforts, particularly in relation to shortages of medical oncologists. At the moment, such shortages are felt most acutely in NHS Tayside, but there are issues across the entire country.

I, again, thank Jackie Baillie and colleagues across the chamber for raising exceptionally important points. On any issue, but particularly on this issue, my door is always open for us to work together to close the unacceptable cancer care gap that exists around the country.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-02749, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on world cancer day 2022. The debate will be con...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I am delighted to bring this members’ business debate to the chamber today in recognition of world cancer day 2022, which is on 4 February. I encourage colle...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Ms Baillie. I advise the chamber that the debate is heavily subscribed. Therefore, I would be grateful if colleagues could stick to their four min...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Jackie Baillie on securing this timeous debate. Covid has dominated the health agenda for some two years, and that has had a devastating impac...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I direct members to my entry in the register of members’ interests; I am a practising NHS general practitioner. I thank Jackie Baillie for securing today’s...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
This annual debate is important in reminding society of one of the greatest challenges that we face, which is finding a cure for cancer. I pay tribute to Can...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I begin by thanking my colleague Jackie Baillie for securing this debate and for her work in Parliament to ensure that cancer and its diagnosis, treatment an...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I appreciate the member taking an intervention. We have heard about inequalities, and being in a rural area brings its challenges regarding cancer treatment....
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Carson.
Paul O’Kane Lab
I hope that Finlay Carson will repay my kindness at some point in the future. However, the point is well made. In her remarks, Jackie Baillie also made the p...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr O’Kane. Just to warn you, Ms Baillie might be luring you down a dangerous path. 17:47
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to be speaking in the debate, and I congratulate Jackie Baillie on securing it. As others have mentioned, the theme of world cancer day 2022 is...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Jackie Baillie for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I want to start by congratulating those who took part in an impressive fundraising...
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP
I thank Jackie Baillie for securing the debate. In just over two weeks, I will turn 55. I mention that because we lost my brother Andy at that age to a malig...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Well done, Mr Fairlie, and best of luck up Kilimanjaro. I am conscious that there are many members who have pressed their buttons and wish to speak—take not...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I, too, would like to thank Jackie Baillie for bringing the debate to the chamber. I also thank those organisations that have provided briefings. My thoughts...
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this important debate and thank Jackie Baillie for securing it. Unfortunately, all members know someone who wil...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
As co-convener of the Parliament’s cross-party group on cancer, I congratulate Jackie Baillie on securing this evening’s debate, and for the work that she ha...
Siobhian Brown (Ayr) (SNP) SNP
I thank Jackie Baillie for bringing the debate to the chamber and the other members who have spoken for their compassionate, heartfelt contributions this eve...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank my fellow Scottish Labour colleague, Jackie Baillie, for bringing her members’ business debate to the chamber. I could not be here today and not spea...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Jackie Baillie and I am grateful that we are debating her motion commemorating world cancer day on Friday. Like all members, I hope and pray for a da...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call the cabinet secretary to respond to the debate. 18:26
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Humza Yousaf) SNP
As is customary, I start by thanking Jackie Baillie sincerely for bringing the matter to the Parliament and for facilitating such a good debate involving mem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Whatever your football deficiencies, cabinet secretary, I know that you can lay claim to having scored a goal at Celtic park, because I was there to see it. ...