Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 03 February 2022
03 Feb 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
ScotRail
The Government has always respected collective bargaining. However, I am sure that members will respect the fact that the chamber is not the place where such negotiations should take place. As I said, I will meet the rail unions next week and I look forward to those discussions.
It was clear even before the pandemic that some ScotRail services were significantly underused. Some off-peak services ran virtually empty. That is not an effective use of our finances and it has a negative impact on our environment. At the height of Covid, revenue dropped to less than 10 per cent of pre-pandemic levels. Nearly half of rail passengers have now returned to ScotRail services, which is good. However, travel patterns and purchasing habits are changing.
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The member is about to conclude.
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