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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 03 February 2022

03 Feb 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Cost of Living
Grahame, Christine SNP Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale Watch on SPTV

One issue that is not listed in the motion is the failure of successive UK Governments in management of the economy. That is of fundamental relevance in a debate about the cost of living crisis and the people who will bear the brunt of it, many of whom are pensioners. I go back to Harold Wilson devaluing the pound in the 1960s and to Tony Benn trashing alternative green energy wave power in favour of nuclear power—although he later recanted.

As for oil and gas, the UK Government sold it off cheap to international companies and only Shetland negotiated benefits for itself. Norway launched its own national company and now also leads in green energy. The oil off Scotland’s shores was squandered by successive UK Governments. In 2020, Norway’s sovereign wealth fund was worth £923 billion—£170,000 for every Norwegian—and in that same year it gained £8 billion in value. That is some rainy-day fund.

The UK has no oil fund. Zilch. The banks’ collapse in 2008 led to the creature called quantitative easing—otherwise known as printing money. That cash was supposed to trickle down to us, but instead it flooded to those who have substantial assets—the people who are already wealthy.

Then, Covid came along. The UK Government has had to write off more than £9 billion that was spent on useless personal protective equipment contracts, which were often divvied out to Tory pals.

The UK Government was already borrowing; now it has to borrow more. The UK national debt now stands at more than 100 per cent of GDP—in other words, we are up to our ears in debt and, with interest charges, the debt is increasing hourly. Norway is the polar opposite. It does not have to borrow. It was able to ride out the banks’ collapse, Covid and even spiralling energy costs by introducing a universal scheme to help consumers. Norway had the cash—unlike the Tory Government, which is simply deferring some costs that we will pay for later.

That is the context: squandering our assets and embedding inequalities in our society, in which for decades the rich have got richer and the poor have got poorer. That matters. Pensioner poverty is not new. Women whose working lives have often been interrupted by motherhood and caring responsibilities do not even receive the measly basic pension.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-03042, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on the cost of living. 14:42
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I declare an interest as an honorary vice-president of Energy Action Scotland. Today, the Office of Gas and Electricity Markets lifted the cap on energy pri...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You must conclude.
Jackie Baillie Lab
There can be no excuses, no inaction and no hiding behind the constitution—the SNP must act, and act now, in the interests of the people of Scotland.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to move the motion, Ms Baillie.
Jackie Baillie Lab
I move, That the Parliament recognises the pressure being placed on household finances across Scotland due to rising inflation, increasing food and fuel pri...
The Minister for Just Transition, Employment and Fair Work (Richard Lochhead) SNP
This is an important and timely debate, as hundreds of thousands of families and households across Scotland are facing very challenging financial circumstanc...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The minister says that the Scottish Government is doing what it can, but a number of issues have been raised, including by Citizens Advice Scotland, on the G...
Richard Lochhead SNP
As the First Minister said, discussions are going on with the UK Government about the consequentials from its announcements, and that money will be earmarked...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I acknowledge that this is a very serious issue for many families who see their household bills going in only one direction, at the same time as they try to ...
The Minister for Zero Carbon Buildings, Active Travel and Tenants’ Rights (Patrick Harvie) Green
I understand that those who instinctively like low-tax policies sometimes have to make an effort to come to terms with the need for such a rise. Why were the...
Liz Smith Con
I thank Mr Harvie for that intervention, but it is all about economic growth, which his party is not terribly keen on. Scottish Fiscal Commission statistics ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Liz Smith Con
I will just finish this point, Ms Baillie. The companies in question are owned by us all through pension funds and insurance firms, and they have to be attr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to be winding up, Ms Smith, instead of taking interventions. Be as brief as possible, Ms Baillie.
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will be very quick. Will Liz Smith at least acknowledge that it was Margaret Thatcher who first put a windfall tax on oil and gas?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
While acknowledging that or not, please start winding up, Ms Smith.
Liz Smith Con
I can very much acknowledge Gordon Brown’s failure on a windfall tax. On that point, I am happy to conclude my remarks. I move amendment S6M-03042.1, to lea...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am very pleased to rise for my party to speak in favour of the incredibly important motion on a matter that is impacting families up and down the country. ...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
We move to the open debate. 15:04
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
It is great privilege to be able to contribute to the debate on the cost of living crisis, which is undoubtedly the single most important issue that millions...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
One issue that is not listed in the motion is the failure of successive UK Governments in management of the economy. That is of fundamental relevance in a de...
Liz Smith Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Christine Grahame SNP
I have only a very short time. In my time in the Scottish Parliament—more than 20 years—the pension credit system has failed constantly, with 40 per cent of...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
It might be worth noting that Norway’s national debt is forecast to be more than $200 billion in 2026. I appreciate Labour’s use of its time today to debate...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Does Jamie Halcro Johnston not recall, as I do, that Boris Johnson promised that he would do that?
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
I do. I am just coming to that, actually. That is, of course, not a conclusive argument against the policy. The chancellor has today announced proposals to ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I ask you to conclude, please.
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
That means that, although a young person on the mainland can travel from Berwickshire to Caithness for free, a young person in Orkney or Shetland, whether tr...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I have to ask you to conclude there, Mr Halcro Johnston. We are very tight for time this afternoon. 15:17