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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 15 December 2021

15 Dec 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Protecting Rural Bus Services

I will deal with conditionality in a moment, but the member has made a good point. Indeed, I have made that same point to bus providers, about what seems to be a disproportionate impact. They would argue that, in the space that they are in, with the shortage of drivers, their focus is on getting the maximum number of people to where they need to go. However, as the representative of a rural area, I have sympathy with the member’s argument.

The extra funding that we have provided fills the gap between the costs of running services and severely reduced ticket income due to suppressed demand, but I point out that operators who receive that additional funding are not allowed to make a profit under the terms of their public service contracts with the Scottish Government. Any profit before tax that is made on Scottish local bus operations is recovered from participating operators.

The largest bus operators are now running, on average, 85 per cent of their pre-Covid mileage. In some places, operators are running below 100 per cent of pre-Covid mileage due to a lack of drivers because of sickness, self-isolation or national driver shortages. When I talked to a major operator earlier this week, I was struck by its concerns. As is happening across society, it might plan services the evening before, on the basis of expected capacity, but—lo and behold!—it discovers, first thing in the morning, that more drivers are off and much reshuffling has to be done. It is, of course, difficult to communicate those service changes to service users, but I think that the operators need to get better at doing so.

With current driver shortages, bus operators have to make difficult decisions on where best to deploy capacity to meet demand and to maintain basic connectivity, but they have to do so in consultation with local transport authorities. It is right that decisions about local bus service provision be determined locally and after consultation. That is why it is a condition of our funding that bus operators are required to consult and co-operate with local transport authorities when planning services. Operators must respond positively and quickly to reasonable requests from local transport authorities to amend provision and keep services under review.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-02426, in the name of Mark Ruskell, on protecting rural bus services. The debate will ...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I thank members from across the chamber who have signed my motion to secure the debate, and I look forward to everyone’s contributions and the minister’s res...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I gently remind anybody who wants to participate in the debate to press their request-to-speak button now. 18:12
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
Thank you for the little reminder earlier, Presiding Officer. I congratulate Mark Ruskell on, and thank him for, securing this members’ business debate. Ac...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The importance of local bus services, which can be a lifeline for rural communities, cannot be overestimated. Mark Ruskell’s motion acknowledges that rural c...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Mark Ruskell for his motion and the opportunity to discuss the importance of our bus services. There is no doubt that Scotland’s diminishing bus netw...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I thank my colleague Mark Ruskell for securing this important and timely debate. I am speaking this evening on behalf of Ariane Burgess, who, like other memb...
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Mark Ruskell on securing the debate. Public transport, particularly green public transport, is a subject close to his heart. I am sure that he...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Is there not an argument that, instead of taxpayers providing free bus travel for people in urban areas—that is where most of the funding will go to provide ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Mr Fairlie, I can give you the time back for Mr Carson’s speech.
Jim Fairlie SNP
I would say to Mr Carson that I absolutely support the under-21s scheme because it is a part of the system that will get young users on to buses. We are goin...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I add my thanks to Mark Ruskell for bringing this important issue to the chamber. I also welcome the acknowledgment from the minister at last week’s portfoli...
The Minister for Transport (Graeme Dey) SNP
I thank Mark Ruskell for lodging the motion, and I thank members across the chamber who have made contributions highlighting the vital role that bus services...
Mark Ruskell Green
The minister has described the enormous sum of money that has been invested in the bus industry in recent years, but is there not a case for some conditional...
Graeme Dey SNP
I will deal with conditionality in a moment, but the member has made a good point. Indeed, I have made that same point to bus providers, about what seems to ...
Colin Smyth Lab
The minister will know that the overwhelming majority of bus services in rural areas are subsidised though council support for bus companies. What does he th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I will give you time back for that and for the earlier intervention.
Graeme Dey SNP
Thank you. It is regrettable that every contribution from Colin Smyth in the chamber comes down to being anti-Scottish National Party, anti-Scottish Governm...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, minister. That concludes the debate. Meeting closed at 18:48.