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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 15 December 2021

15 Dec 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Protecting Rural Bus Services
Fairlie, Jim SNP Perthshire South and Kinross-shire Watch on SPTV

I would say to Mr Carson that I absolutely support the under-21s scheme because it is a part of the system that will get young users on to buses. We are going to try to change the culture of bus use in the first place.

If we remember who loses out when a bus service is removed, it is inevitably the less well-off members of our communities—the elderly and the young. Those are the people who depend on buses to take them to work or education, to shops or hospital appointments, to visit friends or just to have a day out.

We are supposed to be getting more people, not fewer, to use the buses. As the motion says, next month we will see the very welcome introduction of free bus travel for young people under 26. They will get the benefit of that only if there are buses to take them. I take the point that Mr Carson makes, but I still prefer getting people on to buses in the first place.

I hope that, when the minister sums up, we will hear something to give us hope that the Government will work with operators to find an answer to the challenges that they are facing because of driver shortages. In saying that, I completely acknowledge that the main changes that operators know will help them are ones that can be taken only by the UK Government. I know that FirstBus has been working with the Scottish Refugee Council on recruitment, as Mark Ruskell alluded, and it has called on the UK Government to change the rules around visa requirements for bus drivers by classifying them as essential workers. That would be a small and easy change that would have a positive impact on our public transport system and would address the urgent need to encourage more of the public to use the public transport system more often.

18:36  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-02426, in the name of Mark Ruskell, on protecting rural bus services. The debate will ...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I thank members from across the chamber who have signed my motion to secure the debate, and I look forward to everyone’s contributions and the minister’s res...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I gently remind anybody who wants to participate in the debate to press their request-to-speak button now. 18:12
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
Thank you for the little reminder earlier, Presiding Officer. I congratulate Mark Ruskell on, and thank him for, securing this members’ business debate. Ac...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The importance of local bus services, which can be a lifeline for rural communities, cannot be overestimated. Mark Ruskell’s motion acknowledges that rural c...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Mark Ruskell for his motion and the opportunity to discuss the importance of our bus services. There is no doubt that Scotland’s diminishing bus netw...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I thank my colleague Mark Ruskell for securing this important and timely debate. I am speaking this evening on behalf of Ariane Burgess, who, like other memb...
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Mark Ruskell on securing the debate. Public transport, particularly green public transport, is a subject close to his heart. I am sure that he...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Is there not an argument that, instead of taxpayers providing free bus travel for people in urban areas—that is where most of the funding will go to provide ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Mr Fairlie, I can give you the time back for Mr Carson’s speech.
Jim Fairlie SNP
I would say to Mr Carson that I absolutely support the under-21s scheme because it is a part of the system that will get young users on to buses. We are goin...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I add my thanks to Mark Ruskell for bringing this important issue to the chamber. I also welcome the acknowledgment from the minister at last week’s portfoli...
The Minister for Transport (Graeme Dey) SNP
I thank Mark Ruskell for lodging the motion, and I thank members across the chamber who have made contributions highlighting the vital role that bus services...
Mark Ruskell Green
The minister has described the enormous sum of money that has been invested in the bus industry in recent years, but is there not a case for some conditional...
Graeme Dey SNP
I will deal with conditionality in a moment, but the member has made a good point. Indeed, I have made that same point to bus providers, about what seems to ...
Colin Smyth Lab
The minister will know that the overwhelming majority of bus services in rural areas are subsidised though council support for bus companies. What does he th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I will give you time back for that and for the earlier intervention.
Graeme Dey SNP
Thank you. It is regrettable that every contribution from Colin Smyth in the chamber comes down to being anti-Scottish National Party, anti-Scottish Governm...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, minister. That concludes the debate. Meeting closed at 18:48.