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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 01 December 2021

01 Dec 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ventilation in Schools

I am grateful for the chance to contribute to the debate. The unmistakeable truth is that, although we have made good progress in our battle against the pandemic, the virus is, sadly, still very much with us. With extended school closures and mask mandates, along with banned sports days and nursery graduations, the pandemic took its toll on children’s education and mental health. Sadly, it continues to do so even today. We need to learn to live with such happenings. Therefore, we need to be better prepared.

The virus is here to stay, and, with winter fast approaching, we need to take a proactive, not a reactive, approach to the issues that our schools face right now. Later on, it will be far too late. In order to combat the transmission of the virus, good ventilation is needed in every classroom in every school in Scotland. The advisory sub-group on education and children’s issues recommended that greater emphasis be placed on ventilation by keeping windows and doors open as much as possible. That advice was repeated as pupils returned to classrooms, but it is not ideal, given the low temperatures during the winter months. Although measures to improve ventilation are only one method of mitigation in schools, they are an increasingly important one, which can keep our schools as safe as possible.

Scottish Government ministers repeatedly failed to publish information on the rate of failure in, and the criteria for, their ventilation inspection scheme. Once again, it has taken the Opposition parties to draw attention to the issue. The Scottish Government has given £10 million to local authorities in addition to the £90 million for remedial action, such as dealing with CO2 monitoring exercises, but there must be significant investment to ensure long-term protection for pupils and staff.

We cannot overlook three important issues. First, without adequate ventilation systems in classrooms, children will continue to take the virus home to their parents and elderly relatives. Secondly, our children’s mental health must be at the heart of future Government strategies. Last but certainly not least, the attainment gap is wider than it has been in any year since 2017—a staggering 22.1 per cent gap between the most-deprived and least-deprived pupils in A grade attainment levels.

We must do everything that we can to ensure that an entire generation of children is not lost as the Covid generation. We need a proactive, long-term approach to living with the virus, not a sticking-plaster approach, which we all know the SNP is good at. Will the SNP Government still be using Covid as an excuse for its mismanagement of Scottish education in 10 years’ time?

I am glad that the motion has been brought before the Scottish Parliament, and I am delighted to back it. The infrastructure that supports our children’s education is just as important as the education itself. That goes for the mental health and wellbeing of teachers and other staff as well. This is our chance to put it right.

16:32  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
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Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
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Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Is the cabinet secretary confident that, where stubbornly high levels have been identified, action has been taken locally? Has she been reassured?
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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Michael Marra Lab
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Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
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Michael Marra Lab
Will the member reflect on the question that I put to the cabinet secretary, which was whether we will be in this situation next year? With regard to the sch...
Oliver Mundell Con
I agree with that point. The sad thing, which I was going to come to later, is that we should not be in that position this year, either. I am not a “Game of ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I suggest that what might also give reassurance to parents, staff and young people is if we listen to the expert advice that is given to us by, for example, ...
Oliver Mundell Con
My understanding of the advice is that no one has said that those measures would not be an improvement; they have said that they are not the full answer. The...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I thank Michael Marra for being so assiduous on the issue of ventilation in schools. Today’s debate will help us to flush out many of the issues at the heart...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
We have made it clear that, if areas in schools cannot be ventilated appropriately, they should not be used, or alternative methods can be used. I said that ...
Willie Rennie LD
The science therefore does support the use of air purifiers, despite the cabinet secretary’s constant dismissals. The message to schools is clear: their opti...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Please close, Mr Rennie.
Willie Rennie LD
We, too, have a duty to go further. We know that the omicron variant is posing greater threats to us, so the Scottish Government needs to step up, evolve its...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
We are now almost two years into the pandemic, yet the only advice that we can offer children and teachers who are freezing in school is to wear outdoor clot...
Kaukab Stewart (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
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Michael Marra Lab
The same evidence from the NASUWT said that CO2 monitors are not available in many classrooms. They are held centrally and appear occasionally. What kind of ...
Kaukab Stewart SNP
I thank Michael Marra for that question. I was about to go on. I have already said that there is excellent good practice. Councils need to share that best pr...
Oliver Mundell Con
How does Kaukab Stewart explain to my constituents in Dumfries who are sat right now in the high school why, when her Government has been in power for 14 yea...
Kaukab Stewart SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Please could you close, Ms Stewart?
Kaukab Stewart SNP
I will. I have spoken to colleagues, teachers and headteachers alike, and I have to say that, in the majority of cases, I concur that mitigations and adapta...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Ms Stewart.
Kaukab Stewart SNP
I thank our colleagues in the education sector for their continuing hard work. 16:28
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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