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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 01 December 2021

01 Dec 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ventilation in Schools
Marra, Michael Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

That is a wide variety—between 800 and 1,500 parts per million. One could pick a figure in between, as many councils have had to do. There was no answer in that intervention about the pass and failure rates of the 41,000 inspected classrooms. We have asked, time and again, for Government to produce that answer. We have put in parliamentary questions, but it has not been provided. There has been no real inspection programme. It has been a useless pretence to get the Government through questions in the chamber, resulting, by the cabinet secretary’s own admission, in no action.

Research from Harvard University shows that the use of portable air purifiers can reduce transmission rates of airborne viruses by 50 per cent. The use of high-efficiency particulate air filters can remove up to 80 per cent of airborne virus. Scottish Labour’s proposals follow examples of international best practice and call for the resourcing of the installation of two air filters in every classroom in Scotland. That is the best route to providing robust active ventilation that will better protect health and, by limiting the spread of the virus, minimise potential further loss of time in schools for our children. It is the correct approach that the Government should back tonight, and it should fund it in the budget.

We know that Covid is with us to stay and teachers are beginning to wonder whether this is now simply going to be the reality of Scottish winter months. I know that the Government is committed to expanding outdoor learning, but I would suggest that there are better ways to go about that than by bringing the Scottish winter indoors. Are we going to be in the same position a year from now? The Government needs to start building the pandemic infrastructure that we require for domestic vaccine production, regular mass vaccination facilities and their staffing, a public health system that works, an international vaccine contribution worth the name and, starting today, buildings that can help keep our children, our teachers and our education staff healthy.

In the short term, the advent of the omicron variant reminds us what anyone watching carefully has known for a very long time: a single-track strategy of high vaccination rates—for that is what the whole of the United Kingdom is now pursuing—cannot get case rates down sufficiently to prevent mass circulation and further variants. We must have a track and trace system that works and, vitally, ventilation in our public buildings.

I move,

That the Parliament notes with concern that case rates for COVID-19 continue to be highest among under-15s with seven-day case rates over 400 per 100,000; considers that reducing transmission of COVID-19 in schools will be crucial for reducing levels of the virus across the country and that the lack of proper ventilation is a worry for young people, teachers and parents; recognises that Scottish Government ministers have repeatedly failed to publish information on the rate of failure and criteria for their ventilation inspection scheme, which inspected 40,100 of 52,000 learning spaces between August and October 2021; agrees that, especially during the winter months, there is a need for more active ventilation in schools, and calls on the Scottish Government to ensure that local authorities have funding available to install at least two HEPA filters in each classroom in Scotland.

16:04  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-02326, in the name of Michael Marra, on action on active ventilation in schools. Members who wish to spea...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to bring this important debate to the chamber today. On examination of the facts and the overwhelming weight of the data, Labour considers the a...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Clearly, local authorities are using different monitors, so they will have different criteria, but certainly the expert advice is that a CO2 concentration of...
Michael Marra Lab
That is a wide variety—between 800 and 1,500 parts per million. One could pick a figure in between, as many councils have had to do. There was no answer in t...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
The safety of children and young people, and, indeed, all education staff remains our absolute overriding priority, particularly as we approach winter. Venti...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Is the cabinet secretary confident that, where stubbornly high levels have been identified, action has been taken locally? Has she been reassured?
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
We continue to seek and receive reassurances. It was reassuring to receive reports that only in relatively few cases were the recommended CO2 levels exceeded...
Michael Marra Lab
The minister said on the record that “very limited” action would be taken. Essentially, the recommendation is to open a window. Does she expect us to be in s...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
As I said, what I have done and will continue to do is listen to the experts. I encourage Michael Marra to read in great detail the expert evidence that was ...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
I am grateful to my Labour colleague Michael Marra for bringing this debate to the chamber and giving Parliament the time to discuss the issue. We will suppo...
Michael Marra Lab
Will the member reflect on the question that I put to the cabinet secretary, which was whether we will be in this situation next year? With regard to the sch...
Oliver Mundell Con
I agree with that point. The sad thing, which I was going to come to later, is that we should not be in that position this year, either. I am not a “Game of ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I suggest that what might also give reassurance to parents, staff and young people is if we listen to the expert advice that is given to us by, for example, ...
Oliver Mundell Con
My understanding of the advice is that no one has said that those measures would not be an improvement; they have said that they are not the full answer. The...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I thank Michael Marra for being so assiduous on the issue of ventilation in schools. Today’s debate will help us to flush out many of the issues at the heart...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
We have made it clear that, if areas in schools cannot be ventilated appropriately, they should not be used, or alternative methods can be used. I said that ...
Willie Rennie LD
The science therefore does support the use of air purifiers, despite the cabinet secretary’s constant dismissals. The message to schools is clear: their opti...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Please close, Mr Rennie.
Willie Rennie LD
We, too, have a duty to go further. We know that the omicron variant is posing greater threats to us, so the Scottish Government needs to step up, evolve its...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
We are now almost two years into the pandemic, yet the only advice that we can offer children and teachers who are freezing in school is to wear outdoor clot...
Kaukab Stewart (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
There can be no question but that ensuring the safety of children and young people, as well as all educational staff, is of paramount importance to everyone ...
Michael Marra Lab
The same evidence from the NASUWT said that CO2 monitors are not available in many classrooms. They are held centrally and appear occasionally. What kind of ...
Kaukab Stewart SNP
I thank Michael Marra for that question. I was about to go on. I have already said that there is excellent good practice. Councils need to share that best pr...
Oliver Mundell Con
How does Kaukab Stewart explain to my constituents in Dumfries who are sat right now in the high school why, when her Government has been in power for 14 yea...
Kaukab Stewart SNP
I can remember standing at a hustings 20 years ago, talking about the private finance initiative. I was a teacher and I was accused of trying to take away ne...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please could you close, Ms Stewart?
Kaukab Stewart SNP
I will. I have spoken to colleagues, teachers and headteachers alike, and I have to say that, in the majority of cases, I concur that mitigations and adapta...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Ms Stewart.
Kaukab Stewart SNP
I thank our colleagues in the education sector for their continuing hard work. 16:28
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I am grateful for the chance to contribute to the debate. The unmistakeable truth is that, although we have made good progress in our battle against the pand...