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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 04 November 2021

04 Nov 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones
Roddick, Emma SNP Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

First, I point out that we are not here today to debate whether abortion should be available to people who want or need it; instead, we are debating whether people exercising their right to choose and their bodily autonomy should be able to do so without threat of harassment or abuse. That anyone would argue against that is, to me, abhorrent and unforgivable, but that does not stop the usual suspects using the debate on this incredibly important, worthy and apparently necessary motion lodged by Gillian Mackay to remind us that they are still waiting in the wings to remove our rights.

I am very grateful to Gillian Mackay for securing this debate, and I make it clear that I have nothing but contempt for those who are loudly and unashamedly seeking to hijack it to pursue their agenda of policing my body and the bodies of others. I also remind my Scottish National Party colleagues that we are a progressive social democratic party. I do not know what social democracy means if it does not include defending reproductive rights. Our clear policy is that abortion is a legal right in Scotland and that we will protect it.

Abortion is a deeply personal and often traumatising decision and experience. It is disturbing to read a Back Off Scotland activist say that in that moment of trauma she found herself focusing more on the looming need to walk past a group of hostile protesters rather than the process that she had been through, but this is a situation that countless women across the country are facing and it needs our urgent attention.

Freedom of speech, which has been mentioned a lot in the debate, is an important concept, but it is dangerous if people do not understand what it means. People are absolutely free to think what they like, to speak up on their views on policy and to protest Government decisions. However, there is a difference between deciding that abortion is not for you and rocking up to a clinic to harass and judge those who chose differently. There is a difference between having personal views and showing up to Parliament as a legislator seeking to restrict the freedom of others and prevent them from exercising freedom of choice. There is a difference between exercising your personal freedom and restricting the ability of others to do the same. I would never advocate for forcing abortion upon someone. Equally, I will always fight against forcing pregnancy and childbirth upon someone.

We must be clear that these people are not protesting against policy. They are standing outside hospitals, not Parliaments. They are not harmlessly and peacefully making their views heard. They are violently preventing people from accessing healthcare and harassing vulnerable patients as they walk towards what should be a place of care and safety. However quietly they claim to pray, the act of praying at someone while they access health services or trying to persuade a stranger whose individual situation they know nothing about to carry a child because that is their purpose is disgusting however you spin it.

Whether it is someone seeking an abortion, staff caring for patients or people accessing a clinic that offers abortion services to seek help with sexual assault or another medical issue, we know that protecting them is the right thing to do. Let us not leave it up to local authorities to decide whether they fancy protecting human rights. Acting is within our power in this place, it is within the commitments of the governing party’s manifesto, and it is within our duty to our constituents. I plead with the women’s health minister to act.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
I remind members of the Covid-related measures that are in place and that face coverings should be worn when moving around the chamber and across the Holyroo...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I open the debate by recording my sincere thanks to all those who have worked so hard on abortion clinic buffer zones, including the Back Off Scotland campai...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
I thank Gillian Mackay for securing the debate. Abortion is a legal right in Scotland; it is essential healthcare for women, and access to abortion services...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Gillian Mackay for securing this members’ business debate on such an important topic. Members of the Scottish Parliament will have differing views wh...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Gillian Mackay and the campaigners at Back Off Scotland for bringing this vital issue to the Parliament. My colleague Monica Lennon has, unfortunate...
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
I, too, thank Gillian Mackay for bringing her motion to the chamber for debate. Women in Scotland have a fundamental right to access pregnancy healthcare ser...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I am conscious of the number of speakers who still want to contribute to the debate, so I am minded to accept a motion without notice, under rule 8.14.3, to ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I commend the exceptional quality of all speeches that have been made in the debate and praise Gillian Mackay for bringing the topic to the chamber. I also t...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I thank Gillian Mackay for bringing the debate to the chamber and for giving us the opportunity to discuss a sensitive subject. I realise that some would ar...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
John Mason SNP
It is probably better that I do not take an intervention. The tone of the debate has been good so far, so I will just carry on, if the member does not mind. ...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank my colleague Gillian Mackay for bringing the motion to the Parliament and Back Off Scotland for the work that it does to protect women from harassmen...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I thank my colleague Gillian Mackay for lodging this important motion for debate. I echo her remarks, and those of other people, about the work that Back Off...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Gillian Mackay for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I also commend her for the tone that she is taking in approaching the debate. It is...
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
First, I point out that we are not here today to debate whether abortion should be available to people who want or need it; instead, we are debating whether ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Ms Roddick. I call the minister to respond to the debate. Ms Todd, you have around seven minutes. 13:36
The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I thank Gillian Mackay for lodging the motion, and I thank members for their contributions to the debate. As many memb...
Emma Roddick SNP
Does the minister recognise that, as per the Back Off Scotland briefing that we received, 70 per cent of Scottish women live in a health board area in which ...
Maree Todd SNP
I recognise that, but members will be aware that our view is that byelaws are the most appropriate way to tackle the issue, when making of a byelaw can be ju...
Meghan Gallacher Con
In relation to targeted measures and byelaws, does the minister agree that groups could move to other areas if such byelaws were to be introduced for an area...
Maree Todd SNP
I am aware of that concern, which was raised with me at the meeting in September. The former Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing, Joe FitzPatric...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I am struggling to understand the circumstances in which it would be appropriate not to legislate to have a buffer zone. Could the minister explain that furt...
Maree Todd SNP
The precedent in the UK is that such measures are introduced on a local basis. We have looked at other countries’ legislation; I have mentioned before that t...