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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 04 November 2021

04 Nov 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones
Chapman, Maggie Green North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I thank my colleague Gillian Mackay for lodging this important motion for debate. I echo her remarks, and those of other people, about the work that Back Off Scotland and others have done to raise awareness of the issue. I am of course delighted that she will lodge a member’s bill on the issue and take it through Parliament—well done, you.

Earlier this session, I asked the minister what the Scottish Government could do, other than support local authority byelaws, to create protest-free buffer zones outside clinics that provide abortion services. The answer that I got was a little bit disappointing, because it simply reiterated the local authority byelaw mechanism. Although I am pleased that the programme for government outlines a clear commitment that the Government will support any local authority that wishes to use byelaws in that way, we have to do more.

As a Green, I believe passionately in the principle of subsidiarity, which holds that social and political issues should be dealt with at the most local level that is consistent with their resolution. Local decision making and local empowerment are central to my politics. So, on the face of it, it may seem appropriate for local authorities to have the powers over the issue that we are discussing today. However, the key part of the definition of subsidiarity that is relevant today is the bit about the appropriateness of the level of decision making.

As Gillian Mackay and others have outlined, this is about access to healthcare. It is about a fundamental right. I do not want that right to be contingent on geography. If we believe—as it seems that most of us do—that all people in Scotland should have the legal right to make choices about their reproductive health and must be able to access health care without intimidation, coercion, harassment or stigmatisation, then we have the obligation to act, regardless of the views of any local authority. We would not find it acceptable if people of colour in one part of Scotland were protected by anti-racist legislation while people of colour in another part of Scotland were not.

To pick up on the comments that were made in a previous contribution, just because Police Scotland does not have a long list of examples of harassment or intimidation, it does not mean that it does not happen. We know that it does. We also know only too well that, sometimes—especially on issues that affect women, such as this one—women do not go to the police and do not report things. That is therefore not an excuse not to act.

We need a national approach. We need buffer zones outside all hospitals and clinics, and we need them urgently. It should never be acceptable for people to be harassed, bullied or stigmatised as they access healthcare. Such buffer zones will also allow the healthcare professionals who work in those facilities—whether or not they have anything to do with abortion services—to go to and from their work without harassment, bullying or stigmatisation. That is a right that all workers should be able to rely on.

I look forward to supporting Gillian Mackay as she works with people across the chamber and across Scotland on her member’s bill. We must legislate to protect the rights of people to have their safety, wellbeing, privacy and dignity protected.

13:28  

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Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
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Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
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Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
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John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
John Mason SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
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Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Ms Roddick. I call the minister to respond to the debate. Ms Todd, you have around seven minutes. 13:36
The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I thank Gillian Mackay for lodging the motion, and I thank members for their contributions to the debate. As many memb...
Emma Roddick SNP
Does the minister recognise that, as per the Back Off Scotland briefing that we received, 70 per cent of Scottish women live in a health board area in which ...
Maree Todd SNP
I recognise that, but members will be aware that our view is that byelaws are the most appropriate way to tackle the issue, when making of a byelaw can be ju...
Meghan Gallacher Con
In relation to targeted measures and byelaws, does the minister agree that groups could move to other areas if such byelaws were to be introduced for an area...
Maree Todd SNP
I am aware of that concern, which was raised with me at the meeting in September. The former Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing, Joe FitzPatric...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I am struggling to understand the circumstances in which it would be appropriate not to legislate to have a buffer zone. Could the minister explain that furt...
Maree Todd SNP
The precedent in the UK is that such measures are introduced on a local basis. We have looked at other countries’ legislation; I have mentioned before that t...