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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 04 November 2021

04 Nov 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Abortion Clinic Buffer Zones
Mason, John SNP Glasgow Shettleston Watch on SPTV

It is probably better that I do not take an intervention. The tone of the debate has been good so far, so I will just carry on, if the member does not mind.

My starting point is that, if there is not any real problem in Scotland, why would we need legislation? As I understand it, Police Scotland has been asked, via freedom of information requests, about whether there have been any incidents in Edinburgh or Glasgow. Apart from two incidents that were reported at the Chalmers sexual health centre in September 2020—on which no action was taken—there appear to have been no serious problems in either city since the FOI requests began in January 2018. Therefore, the existing law seems to be effective, and local authorities can use byelaws if that is required.

Another angle is whether all women who go for abortions are able to make a choice—or realise that they have one. Evidence suggests that, at least in some cases, partners or family members are coercing pregnant women into having an abortion when they do not really want to do that.

After coverage of the subject in the media a few weeks ago, a woman contacted me. I will quote her for the rest of my speech:

“we are there … for the women who are, in their heart of hearts, not at peace about going ahead with an abortion. They need a last-minute life line—many women literally pray for a ‘sign’ that they should keep their baby”.

She continues:

“There are many women in this position (and I was one of them at the age of 20). These women often live with torment and regret for the rest of their lives. I have met one woman during the vigil (in her sixties) who said unequivocally that abortion had ruined her life. She has had 4 decades of trauma.”

She further says:

“I, myself had 3 decades of various problems … My experience of the NHS was that as soon as I expressed doubt about going ahead with the pregnancy I was put on a conveyer belt all the way to the termination. We really need to hear the other side of the debate in parliament”.

13:20  

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Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
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Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
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Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
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John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
John Mason SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
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Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Ms Roddick. I call the minister to respond to the debate. Ms Todd, you have around seven minutes. 13:36
The Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I thank Gillian Mackay for lodging the motion, and I thank members for their contributions to the debate. As many memb...
Emma Roddick SNP
Does the minister recognise that, as per the Back Off Scotland briefing that we received, 70 per cent of Scottish women live in a health board area in which ...
Maree Todd SNP
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Meghan Gallacher Con
In relation to targeted measures and byelaws, does the minister agree that groups could move to other areas if such byelaws were to be introduced for an area...
Maree Todd SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
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