Committee
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill Committee, 04 Feb 2003
04 Feb 2003 · S1 · Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill Committee
Item of business
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Speaker
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Amendment 8, by agreement, withdrawn.
In the same item of business
The Convener (Kay Ullrich):
SNP
Good afternoon. We have received apologies from Jamie McGrigor. I remind everyone to turn off their mobile phones and pagers—given that I was the guilty part...
Section 1 agreed to.
Schedule 1The Commissioner for Children and Young People in Scotland
The Convener:
SNP
Amendment 8 is grouped with amendment 9.
The Minister for Education and Young People (Cathy Jamieson):
Lab
I want to put on record the fact that, in considering potential Executive amendments to the bill, I have sought to work within the spirit of the bill, as dra...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD):
LD
The minister said that no guidance would be provided. I can see that it is quite correct that, once the Parliament has passed the bill, neither the Parliamen...
Cathy Jamieson:
Lab
The Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill is a committee bill, not an Executive bill. It is for this committee to establish during the c...
The Convener:
SNP
I allowed the minister to respond to that because I thought that it might be helpful, but she will also have an opportunity to wind up the debate on this group.
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab):
Lab
It is obvious that amendments 8 and 9 are aimed at encouraging the commissioner to work with others to minimise duplication and overlap. Neither amendment is...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I will speak in favour of the view that Karen Gillon has expressed.Amendment 8 is ambiguous and imprecise. I would accept amendment 8 if it were a genuine Ma...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab):
Lab
With an olive.
Irene McGugan:
SNP
That is right, but as it is not that kind of amendment, I cannot accept it.On amendment 9, Karen Gillon has comprehensively outlined the view that was taken ...
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
I do not detect much of a difference between what Karen Gillon said and what the minister said. Ultimately, we all want to end up in the same place. The argu...
The Convener:
SNP
The minister may wind up.
Cathy Jamieson:
Lab
The discussion has been helpful. I welcome the contributions of committee members for putting on record the policy intention, although I do not think that th...
Amendment 8, by agreement, withdrawn.
The Convener:
SNP
Amendment 2 is grouped with amendment 3.
Karen Gillon:
Lab
Amendments 2 and 3 would bring the provisions for the accountable officer into line with certain other acts that have been passed by the Parliament. Paragrap...
Amendment 2 agreed to.
Amendment 3 moved—Karen Gillon—and agreed to.
Schedule 1, as amended, agreed to.
Section 2—Appointment
The Convener:
SNP
Amendment 4 is in a group on its own.
Donald Gorrie:
LD
Amendment 4 would instruct the Parliament to"consult and involve children and young people and organisations working with and for children and young people i...
Karen Gillon:
Lab
The Education, Culture and Sport Committee has been keen to involve children in our processes. We have sought to do so in a meaningful rather than tokenistic...
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
I have sympathy for what Donald Gorrie is trying to do, but the issue is how we can legislate for good practice. I do not believe that the measure proposed b...
Donald Gorrie:
LD
It is encouraging that so much thought has been given to the difficult process of giving young people a say in the appointment procedure, given that they wil...
Amendment 4, by agreement, withdrawn.
The Convener:
SNP
Amendment 5 is in a group on its own.
Donald Gorrie:
LD
Amendment 5 is a slightly nit-picking amendment that tries to take account of the fact that a future Parliament might be less enthusiastic about the business...