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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 22 September 2021

22 Sep 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
ScotRail
Roddick, Emma SNP Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

As someone for whom world car free day is an everyday reality—I have spent more than 48 hours on trains in the past month—folk hamming up the grave disruption to their lives that would come from not using their car for a 20-minute journey on one day out of 365 really jars. I therefore thank my colleagues on the Labour benches for giving me this opportunity to make productive use of my irrational annoyance.

Being a Highlands and Islands representative, I understand that going car free is not only difficult for many of my constituents but impossible. If you live in Alness and work in a care home in Barbaraville, how do you get to your night shift when the last bus has long gone? I also accept that many could make the switch from car to public transport. However, they do not, because we are not giving them good reason to. When the journey from Thurso to Inverness is four hours on the train and two hours and twenty minutes in a car, why would you take the train?

The Friends of the Far North Line point out in their latest issue—and, it is fair to say, in all their issues—that most of the Highland main line remains single track, asking, “When will the sun shine on the Highland main line?” I have raised the need to double that route twice in the chamber already. I expect that a number of my colleagues will be sick of hearing about it from me fairly soon and until it happens.

Given the massive carbon efficiency benefits and the fact that massive lorries carrying freight that could be transported by rail—not to mention the current issues around who drives those lorries—are the cause of many issues on the A9, it is great to see mention of moving more freight on to our railways in the Government amendment. However, you can go only so far with that while the Highland main line remains single track. If we are talking about the benefit to the climate, it surely makes sense to move freight off the roads and on to rail, where the journeys are the longest and therefore carbon emissions highest.

It is fantastic that we are talking so much about decarbonising public transport—about electrifying and exploring ways to hydrogen power trains on existing routes such as the west Highland line. However, having control of the franchise surely means that we have to go further than simply improving what is there. We also have to ensure that the services and timetables are working not only for those who currently use them but for those who can be convinced.

I find it bizarre that ScotRail is using current passenger numbers to justify service reductions. We cannot use passenger numbers as any kind of basis for decision making at a time when people have been actively told not to use the train. We should be looking to the future and using the opportunity of service changes to encourage more users, and I was glad to see that mentioned in the Scottish Government amendment.

I was as excited as a child at Christmas—or me at Christmas—when I heard the announcement that the Government was taking over ScotRail ownership, and I am even more excited now that there is a commitment to putting staff and passengers at the heart of governance. However, I share the disappointment that, in the wake of that, timetable changes show that we are still not using high-speed trains to service Inverness. It is the city with the longest intercity routes in the country, which surely should mean that it is top of the list for dunting trains that have been described by ScotRail and the Scottish Government as

“not suited for intercity travel”.

ScotRail being brought into public hands provides us with a massive opportunity to get things right, which is recognised in the Labour motion and the Scottish Government amendment. I look forward to working with my colleagues across the chamber, including Scottish Labour, to make sure that that happens.

16:01  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-01300, in the name of Neil Bibby, on ScotRail. 15:21
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Today, Scotland’s joint rail unions launched their six months to save Scotland’s railway campaign. The fact that they chose to launch it outside Bute house t...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does the member accept that some people are working from home and therefore the trains are very empty on some routes?
Neil Bibby Lab
Of course we are in a pandemic, but we should be making it easier and not harder for people to travel by train. How does cutting train services make it more ...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I did not shout up a moment ago, but we are wholly opposed to the cuts. As I will make clear later, my concern is that they will just stay when ScotRail is n...
Neil Bibby Lab
Yes, I share that concern. We believe in public ownership to make the railway better. We should have a growing rail network and a better rail network with pu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to wind up, Mr Bibby.
Neil Bibby Lab
The vision for a better, green and publicly controlled ScotRail is one that many claim to share. However, the reality of industrial unrest and service cuts i...
The Minister for Transport (Graeme Dey) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate the future of rail services in Scotland today—world car-free day—because no one can or should doubt this Government’s com...
Neil Bibby Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Graeme Dey SNP
No—the member had seven minutes to make his points, and I want to rebut some of them. Does Labour not recognise that there have been substantial economic, s...
Neil Bibby Lab
Where?
Graeme Dey SNP
Mr Bibby asks where. I will tell him. There will be improvements on the route between Glasgow and Carlisle via Kilmarnock and Dumfries. Further, new services...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I find it extraordinary that a transport minister, speaking in a transport debate, did not take any interventions. I thank Scottish Labour for bringing the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can tell the chamber that we have no time, so interventions will have to be accommodated in the time allocation. 15:41
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
An anecdote is attributed to one of my predecessors as a representative of Shetland, Jo Grimond, who when asked to name his closest railway station, would sa...
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate today, which is world car-free day. Like many of us, I am and have been a regular user of rail services for ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate, such is the strong concern that has been expressed by many of my constituents across Mid Scotland a...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. Let me begin with the facts. Abellio ScotRail is fully funded by the Scottish Government—...
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
As someone for whom world car free day is an everyday reality—I have spent more than 48 hours on trains in the past month—folk hamming up the grave disruptio...
Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
In six months’ time, ScotRail will enter public ownership and a new national rail service will be created—a development that will not only shape the future o...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I thank Labour colleagues for bringing this debate. It is important that we thank the workers for their commitment to delivering rail services during the pan...
Neil Bibby Lab
Will the member give way?
Mark Ruskell Green
I do not think that I have time in hand—or do I, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you a little time, if the member will be as brief as possible.
Mark Ruskell Green
Okay. I will give way.
Neil Bibby Lab
What will be in the Scottish Greens’ submission to the consultation? Do the Greens accept ScotRail’s fit for the future proposals, which include cutting 300 ...
Mark Ruskell Green
No, and I will tell the member what I am doing to listen to the travelling public and channel their comments to the minister and to ScotRail. I have been act...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the chance to take part in this debate. There is no doubt that we face some challenging decisions around travel in general and rail travel in part...
Neil Bibby Lab
I agree that public transport is a public service and that the state will have to support it, but if we are not willing to invest in public transport, there ...