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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 22 September 2021

22 Sep 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
ScotRail

An anecdote is attributed to one of my predecessors as a representative of Shetland, Jo Grimond, who when asked to name his closest railway station, would say, “Bergen”. I cannot say that I am not jealous of colleagues who are able to hop on the train and return to their constituencies after a day or a week here. Instead, I am more used to flight safety demonstrations and gate changes than staying behind the yellow line and platform announcements.

As the motion points out, today is world car-free day; it is a tricky task for people who live in an area that geographically challenges public transport, but we must do more to break the reliance on cars for short journeys and we should ensure that every part of Scotland has an excellent local transport system and good links to the rest of the country. We must also make public transport sustainable if we are to see any benefit for our planet.

In 2015, transport became Scotland’s single largest source of greenhouse gas emissions, accounting for more than a third of them. Progress has been made in other sectors, such as electricity, but transport has not budged. In 2018, 48.7 billion vehicle-kilometres were travelled by road—up 10 per cent in a decade. By 2037, Transport Scotland modelling forecasts a 25 per cent increase in car trips and a 44 per cent increase in goods vehicle trips. If we cut rail timetables, we certainly have no chance of changing that situation, and we do not have a chance of meeting our climate change targets unless transport is rapidly decarbonised.

Meanwhile, delays and dissatisfaction have beset the current Abellio ScotRail setup. People are so frustrated that, for the first time in decades, the number of people who used rail pre-pandemic went down, and delay-repay compensation to passengers nearly doubled in the space of just two years. If our railways face cuts—including, potentially, to the workforce—we need a commitment to greater investment and fair treatment for workers. We support driving up improvements to services, and performance improvements can be made through stronger protections for passengers.

The next chapter for rail services needs to deliver more for passengers, and we need governance that will deliver those services from day one. For the future of rail, we would like to see a system that recognises post-pandemic patterns of travel, takes into account local input and is accountable to passengers. We would like to see more freight moved on to railways to reduce congestion and pollution, and a move away from fossil fuels on the network towards electric power, batteries and hydrogen. We embrace the opportunity to run railways better through taking the best of the UK Government’s Williams review, such as simplified modern ticketing.

With passengers in mind, we can attract more people on to trains and out of their cars, all of which would help to accelerate action to tackle the climate emergency, and to meet the tougher target of a 75 per cent emissions reduction by 2030, which was put into Scottish law after work by the Scottish Liberal Democrats.

We call on the Scottish ministers to commit to an affordable, clean, green, reliable, expanded and modern railway, with overall journeys maintained, that is accountable to passengers. Empty, polluting, ageing trains do not benefit anyone. Change is needed now for our rail service.

15:45  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-01300, in the name of Neil Bibby, on ScotRail. 15:21
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Today, Scotland’s joint rail unions launched their six months to save Scotland’s railway campaign. The fact that they chose to launch it outside Bute house t...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does the member accept that some people are working from home and therefore the trains are very empty on some routes?
Neil Bibby Lab
Of course we are in a pandemic, but we should be making it easier and not harder for people to travel by train. How does cutting train services make it more ...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I did not shout up a moment ago, but we are wholly opposed to the cuts. As I will make clear later, my concern is that they will just stay when ScotRail is n...
Neil Bibby Lab
Yes, I share that concern. We believe in public ownership to make the railway better. We should have a growing rail network and a better rail network with pu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to wind up, Mr Bibby.
Neil Bibby Lab
The vision for a better, green and publicly controlled ScotRail is one that many claim to share. However, the reality of industrial unrest and service cuts i...
The Minister for Transport (Graeme Dey) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate the future of rail services in Scotland today—world car-free day—because no one can or should doubt this Government’s com...
Neil Bibby Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Graeme Dey SNP
No—the member had seven minutes to make his points, and I want to rebut some of them. Does Labour not recognise that there have been substantial economic, s...
Neil Bibby Lab
Where?
Graeme Dey SNP
Mr Bibby asks where. I will tell him. There will be improvements on the route between Glasgow and Carlisle via Kilmarnock and Dumfries. Further, new services...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I find it extraordinary that a transport minister, speaking in a transport debate, did not take any interventions. I thank Scottish Labour for bringing the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can tell the chamber that we have no time, so interventions will have to be accommodated in the time allocation. 15:41
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
An anecdote is attributed to one of my predecessors as a representative of Shetland, Jo Grimond, who when asked to name his closest railway station, would sa...
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate today, which is world car-free day. Like many of us, I am and have been a regular user of rail services for ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate, such is the strong concern that has been expressed by many of my constituents across Mid Scotland a...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. Let me begin with the facts. Abellio ScotRail is fully funded by the Scottish Government—...
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
As someone for whom world car free day is an everyday reality—I have spent more than 48 hours on trains in the past month—folk hamming up the grave disruptio...
Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
In six months’ time, ScotRail will enter public ownership and a new national rail service will be created—a development that will not only shape the future o...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I thank Labour colleagues for bringing this debate. It is important that we thank the workers for their commitment to delivering rail services during the pan...
Neil Bibby Lab
Will the member give way?
Mark Ruskell Green
I do not think that I have time in hand—or do I, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you a little time, if the member will be as brief as possible.
Mark Ruskell Green
Okay. I will give way.
Neil Bibby Lab
What will be in the Scottish Greens’ submission to the consultation? Do the Greens accept ScotRail’s fit for the future proposals, which include cutting 300 ...
Mark Ruskell Green
No, and I will tell the member what I am doing to listen to the travelling public and channel their comments to the minister and to ScotRail. I have been act...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the chance to take part in this debate. There is no doubt that we face some challenging decisions around travel in general and rail travel in part...
Neil Bibby Lab
I agree that public transport is a public service and that the state will have to support it, but if we are not willing to invest in public transport, there ...