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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 22 September 2021

22 Sep 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
ScotRail

Mr Bibby asks where. I will tell him. There will be improvements on the route between Glasgow and Carlisle via Kilmarnock and Dumfries. Further, new services are being added between Dundee and Glasgow, which will bring services to Invergowrie and Gleneagles. I hope that that answers his question.

A review is not a permanent thing. We can review services again if travel patterns change again. However, surely, we must look to deliver services that meet people’s needs with regard to when and where they want to travel and that free up capacity to provide more in that regard. Essentially, that is what the current review does.

We have to address the operational challenges on the railways efficiently—all the challenges. I recognise the crucial and positive role that our railway workers played in supporting key workers through the pandemic and in enabling key parts of the economy to function. Everyone who works on Scotland’s railways deserves to be treated and paid fairly. However, it is a hard truth that there is simply no additional funding available to provide further support to the rail sector. Accordingly, if fair and reasonable pay increases are to be achieved, that has to be done through the realisation of operational efficiencies within the business.

Let me be clear, as I have been with the majority of unions that are engaging constructively in exploring the matter: efficiencies cut in more than one way. ScotRail’s management needs to be open to better ways of working that reduce costs on its side. As the Minister for Transport, I will be pressing the Office of Rail and Road, as I did earlier today, to progress savings to Scotland’s Railway’s fixed costs in regard to its contractual arrangements with Network Rail, which make up 55 per cent of overall spend.

Where I find common ground with Mr Bibby is that we both believe that a public sector-controlled and integrated passenger railway is the model that will best deliver for Scotland. The period of stability that has been provided by our decision to deliver ScotRail services within the public sector allows us to assess the scale and pace of recovery from Covid-19 and to consider how we respond to the United Kingdom Government’s white paper.

There is so much more that I want to say, but I am conscious of time. The pandemic’s impacts and the climate change challenge mean that we will have to do things differently to deliver differently. Taking ScotRail back into public sector control means that we can operate differently. Both must be seen by all concerned as an opportunity.

I move amendment S6M-01300.2, to leave out from “considers” to end and insert:

“welcomes the opportunity for decisions to be taken in the coming months that will shape the future of Scotland’s railways; acknowledges the opportunity to create a national rail service that meets the country’s needs and travel patterns by building back to pre-pandemic levels but also provides for expected future demand; thanks Scotland’s railway workers and staff for their commitment to keeping services running during unprecedented circumstances; recognises the financial challenges posed by the COVID-19 pandemic, but also believes that staff should be paid fairly and expects the employer to lead dialogue with trade unions to resolve current industrial disputes, with the aim of restoring rail services and re-establishing mutually acceptable industrial relations; welcomes that 22 September 2021 is World Car Free Day, a day to promote and undertake alternatives to car use; notes that Scottish ministers are committed to an affordable, clean, green, reliable and modern railway that is publicly owned and accountable, and founded on Fair Work First criteria, with representation for staff and passengers in the governance of a new public sector operator, and recognises that the Scottish Government will set out a vision for the future of Scotland’s railways based on service improvement, fair work, the decarbonisation of passenger rail services and an increase in rail freight, to help meet Scotland’s net zero ambitions.”

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-01300, in the name of Neil Bibby, on ScotRail. 15:21
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does the member accept that some people are working from home and therefore the trains are very empty on some routes?
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Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to wind up, Mr Bibby.
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Neil Bibby Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
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Neil Bibby Lab
Where?
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Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
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Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
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Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
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Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
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Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
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Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
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Neil Bibby Lab
Will the member give way?
Mark Ruskell Green
I do not think that I have time in hand—or do I, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you a little time, if the member will be as brief as possible.
Mark Ruskell Green
Okay. I will give way.
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