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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 22 September 2021

22 Sep 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
ScotRail

I welcome the opportunity to debate the future of rail services in Scotland today—world car-free day—because no one can or should doubt this Government’s commitment to improving Scotland’s railways.

In 2008, ScotRail operated just under 2,200 services per week day, providing for 467,000 seats. By 2019, that had increased to just over 2,400 services per week day, providing 645,000 seats. Since 2009, the communities of Alloa, Laurencekirk, Armadale, Blackridge, Caldercruix, Conon Bridge, Shawfair, Eskbank, Newtongrange, Gorebridge, Stow, Galashiels, Tweedbank and Kintore have been reconnected to the rail network through reversal of the Beeching cuts. Further, in the next three years, Reston, East Linton, Dalcross, Cameron Bridge and Leven will follow. [Interruption.] I will not take an intervention. I want to make progress, as I have a lot to cover.

Some 441km of track have been electrified and 108 brand-new electric trains comprising 364 carriages have been introduced to the network. Prior to the onset of the pandemic, more than 75 per cent of passenger journeys on ScotRail were being made on net zero emission trains. We are walking the walk, but we know that there is more to do. [Interruption.] No, I will not give way. I have heard enough from that side of the chamber.

As we seek to rise to the challenge of climate change and transport’s contribution to Scotland’s emissions, we have big plans for this transportation mode, including full decarbonisation and it becoming a go-to for freight. That commitment and investment was apparent before 2020; it endured throughout the pandemic, with our continuing support for the industry; and I assure members that our commitment and investment will continue as we shape the future of Scotland’s railway.

However, we face some immediate challenges, which are largely brought about by the pandemic. A £1.1 billion annual spend on rail before the pandemic has, by necessity, morphed into a spend of more than £1.5 billion. At the risk of mixing transport metaphors, we need to steady the ship and get ScotRail ready for not so much a build-back but a take-off. [Interruption.] No, I am sorry; I want to get through this.

Labour says that there should be no overall reduction in pre-pandemic ScotRail service levels. In effect, it is saying that what was suitable for 2019 should be suitable for 2022.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-01300, in the name of Neil Bibby, on ScotRail. 15:21
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Today, Scotland’s joint rail unions launched their six months to save Scotland’s railway campaign. The fact that they chose to launch it outside Bute house t...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does the member accept that some people are working from home and therefore the trains are very empty on some routes?
Neil Bibby Lab
Of course we are in a pandemic, but we should be making it easier and not harder for people to travel by train. How does cutting train services make it more ...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I did not shout up a moment ago, but we are wholly opposed to the cuts. As I will make clear later, my concern is that they will just stay when ScotRail is n...
Neil Bibby Lab
Yes, I share that concern. We believe in public ownership to make the railway better. We should have a growing rail network and a better rail network with pu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to wind up, Mr Bibby.
Neil Bibby Lab
The vision for a better, green and publicly controlled ScotRail is one that many claim to share. However, the reality of industrial unrest and service cuts i...
The Minister for Transport (Graeme Dey) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate the future of rail services in Scotland today—world car-free day—because no one can or should doubt this Government’s com...
Neil Bibby Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Graeme Dey SNP
No—the member had seven minutes to make his points, and I want to rebut some of them. Does Labour not recognise that there have been substantial economic, s...
Neil Bibby Lab
Where?
Graeme Dey SNP
Mr Bibby asks where. I will tell him. There will be improvements on the route between Glasgow and Carlisle via Kilmarnock and Dumfries. Further, new services...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I find it extraordinary that a transport minister, speaking in a transport debate, did not take any interventions. I thank Scottish Labour for bringing the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can tell the chamber that we have no time, so interventions will have to be accommodated in the time allocation. 15:41
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
An anecdote is attributed to one of my predecessors as a representative of Shetland, Jo Grimond, who when asked to name his closest railway station, would sa...
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate today, which is world car-free day. Like many of us, I am and have been a regular user of rail services for ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate, such is the strong concern that has been expressed by many of my constituents across Mid Scotland a...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. Let me begin with the facts. Abellio ScotRail is fully funded by the Scottish Government—...
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
As someone for whom world car free day is an everyday reality—I have spent more than 48 hours on trains in the past month—folk hamming up the grave disruptio...
Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
In six months’ time, ScotRail will enter public ownership and a new national rail service will be created—a development that will not only shape the future o...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I thank Labour colleagues for bringing this debate. It is important that we thank the workers for their commitment to delivering rail services during the pan...
Neil Bibby Lab
Will the member give way?
Mark Ruskell Green
I do not think that I have time in hand—or do I, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you a little time, if the member will be as brief as possible.
Mark Ruskell Green
Okay. I will give way.
Neil Bibby Lab
What will be in the Scottish Greens’ submission to the consultation? Do the Greens accept ScotRail’s fit for the future proposals, which include cutting 300 ...
Mark Ruskell Green
No, and I will tell the member what I am doing to listen to the travelling public and channel their comments to the minister and to ScotRail. I have been act...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the chance to take part in this debate. There is no doubt that we face some challenging decisions around travel in general and rail travel in part...
Neil Bibby Lab
I agree that public transport is a public service and that the state will have to support it, but if we are not willing to invest in public transport, there ...