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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 22 September 2021

22 Sep 2021 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
ScotRail

Yes, I share that concern. We believe in public ownership to make the railway better. We should have a growing rail network and a better rail network with public ownership, but it very much looks like we will have a declining one under the SNP-Green coalition.

The reductions also mean that there will be 25 fewer trains leaving Crosshill station, in the First Minister’s constituency, heading to Glasgow Central station, which is a 33 per cent reduction. Six fewer trains will leave Arbroath, in the transport minister’s constituency, on weekday services to Glasgow, Edinburgh and Dundee, which is a 12 per cent reduction. Is that really the level of services that ministers intend to build back to in 2022? In agreeing to the motion, Parliament can give its view and call for services to be built back to pre-pandemic levels from May 2022. We accept that the timetables can change, but the overall level of service must not be diminished.

Labour is also calling on the Scottish Government to resolve all current industrial disputes on the railways with settlements that are fair for the workforce. Industrial action during COP26 is likely and would be an international humiliation for the Scottish Government. Is it really willing to stand by and let that happen? That action is not instructed by London bosses, as five SNP MSPs have disgracefully claimed; it is mandated democratically by key workers in Scotland. To suggest otherwise is an anti-union smear against those workers, and the MSPs concerned should apologise.

The National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers—RMT—is again in a prolonged dispute with ScotRail. The Transport Salaried Staffs Association—TSSA—has warned ScotRail to expect action over understaffing. Unite the union’s engineering members have voted overwhelmingly for strike action, too. All rail unions are calling for disputes to be resolved fairly, and they have been frustrated with the minister behaving like a Tory transport minister by appearing to rule out intervening unless workers accept efficiencies.

If the minister wants efficiencies and a resolution, he should reassess the excessive fees that his Government is paying Abellio for a six-day-a-week service instead of legitimising a tax on key workers.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-01300, in the name of Neil Bibby, on ScotRail. 15:21
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Today, Scotland’s joint rail unions launched their six months to save Scotland’s railway campaign. The fact that they chose to launch it outside Bute house t...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does the member accept that some people are working from home and therefore the trains are very empty on some routes?
Neil Bibby Lab
Of course we are in a pandemic, but we should be making it easier and not harder for people to travel by train. How does cutting train services make it more ...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I did not shout up a moment ago, but we are wholly opposed to the cuts. As I will make clear later, my concern is that they will just stay when ScotRail is n...
Neil Bibby Lab
Yes, I share that concern. We believe in public ownership to make the railway better. We should have a growing rail network and a better rail network with pu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to wind up, Mr Bibby.
Neil Bibby Lab
The vision for a better, green and publicly controlled ScotRail is one that many claim to share. However, the reality of industrial unrest and service cuts i...
The Minister for Transport (Graeme Dey) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate the future of rail services in Scotland today—world car-free day—because no one can or should doubt this Government’s com...
Neil Bibby Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Graeme Dey SNP
No—the member had seven minutes to make his points, and I want to rebut some of them. Does Labour not recognise that there have been substantial economic, s...
Neil Bibby Lab
Where?
Graeme Dey SNP
Mr Bibby asks where. I will tell him. There will be improvements on the route between Glasgow and Carlisle via Kilmarnock and Dumfries. Further, new services...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I find it extraordinary that a transport minister, speaking in a transport debate, did not take any interventions. I thank Scottish Labour for bringing the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can tell the chamber that we have no time, so interventions will have to be accommodated in the time allocation. 15:41
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
An anecdote is attributed to one of my predecessors as a representative of Shetland, Jo Grimond, who when asked to name his closest railway station, would sa...
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate today, which is world car-free day. Like many of us, I am and have been a regular user of rail services for ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate, such is the strong concern that has been expressed by many of my constituents across Mid Scotland a...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. Let me begin with the facts. Abellio ScotRail is fully funded by the Scottish Government—...
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
As someone for whom world car free day is an everyday reality—I have spent more than 48 hours on trains in the past month—folk hamming up the grave disruptio...
Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
In six months’ time, ScotRail will enter public ownership and a new national rail service will be created—a development that will not only shape the future o...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I thank Labour colleagues for bringing this debate. It is important that we thank the workers for their commitment to delivering rail services during the pan...
Neil Bibby Lab
Will the member give way?
Mark Ruskell Green
I do not think that I have time in hand—or do I, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you a little time, if the member will be as brief as possible.
Mark Ruskell Green
Okay. I will give way.
Neil Bibby Lab
What will be in the Scottish Greens’ submission to the consultation? Do the Greens accept ScotRail’s fit for the future proposals, which include cutting 300 ...
Mark Ruskell Green
No, and I will tell the member what I am doing to listen to the travelling public and channel their comments to the minister and to ScotRail. I have been act...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the chance to take part in this debate. There is no doubt that we face some challenging decisions around travel in general and rail travel in part...
Neil Bibby Lab
I agree that public transport is a public service and that the state will have to support it, but if we are not willing to invest in public transport, there ...